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Glenn van AsSpectatorAre you folks starting to question the role of Fissure Sealants in Dentistry. This is a 10 year old that I fissure sealed non carious grooves around 4 years ago.
She is caries free. I had her in for a recall appointment and low and behold on one of the upper molars the distal pit FS had come out and there was alot of decalcification on the distal pit.
The diagnodent went crazy of course and I got her back in today.
I couldnt do it well with the laser but many might have tried and I was rushed for time.
I used a diamond microprep bur for the distal. Now do you leave the mesial pit alone (with the FS overtop ) or do you replace it……..
I removed it and sure enough , decay under this FS. (this is common for me to find and supported by the 5 year CRA report in Nov. 2001 in the Compendium which found 92% of FS which were there for 10 years had decay under them and alot were 3mm or greater in depth.
I dont like FS because I cant see what is happening under them. I would rather lightly etch the grooves to open them up if I see stain, if I get a 25+ on the diagnodent or I see decalcification with the scope.
I place Gradia + flowable in the preps and the laser was only used at the end to decontaminate the dentin and remove any remaining bacteria.
I think it helps but who knows.
HOpe it helps you in reconsidering the role of FS in your practice…………and if there is decay on one part of the tooth with a FS in it, remove it and I bet you will find LOTS of cases like this.
If you want more cases I will post case after case that will frighten you!!
Glenn
whitertthSpectatorGlenn,
new studies are showing that sealants are worthless, even though we still do them(MYself included)…A promising product seems to be FUJI Triage, a highly flouridated glass ionomer that is placed on erupting molars and allows them to exchange necessary ions in the mouth to strengthen them against the caries process. Anyone using it on a regular basis yet?
lagunabbSpectatorInteresting … how well does the Diagnodent “see through” the FS? Both my kids have FS and it is good to know that older FS gives a false sense of security. My son just got more of during his recent appointment.
AnonymousGuestQUOTEQuote: from whitertth on 11:39 pm on June 8, 2004
Anyone using it on a regular basis yet?For about 15 months now. Generally pleased. They do wear away with time but hopefully the tooth has been ‘matured’ with extra mineral content from using the Triage by then.
SwpmnSpectatorBased on what I’ve seen clinically over the last fifteen years I strongly concur with the fissure sealant findings of Dr. van As. Since obtaining an erbium laser in 2001 we open the fissures creating mechanical retention and providing some depth for thickness of the restorative material. We restore these with posterior composite. If it were my child, this is the type of “sealant” that I would want the dentist to place.
Some thoughts:
1) From an ethical standpoint, what should we charge for this “preventive resin” procedure? It’s not a “sealant” which could be delegated to auxillaries and I would charge about ึ US. This procedure can only be performed by the dentist, yet it probably won’t take me as long to do this when compared to a full posterior occlusal composite for which I would charge about 赊.
2) I estimate the depth of these “preventive resins” to be about 1mm. This may be less than ideal for long term fracture resistance as the restorative material encounters occlusal forces. How long should we expect these restorations to be functional? I have three year studies where they appear to be holding up well.
Al
dkimmelSpectatorNo more FS for me. Have been using Triage for over a year now. You do get some wear but over all the holdup well. But why PINK?
David
Glenn van AsSpectatorYou folks want to see more decay under sealants……
Here is another case.
In addition, I think that one of the problems with FS is that you cant tell if there is decay beneath them. WIth resins you see stain in most cases around the outside.
THe sealant doesnt seal and there are all sorts of problems with them that I see in my practice. I dont go in and rip them out but I am not doing them much anymore.
Here are two more cases…….let me know if you want more cases…….I have tons.
Glenn
ASISpectatorHi Glenn,
Great documentation again.
In general, a fair proportion of FS done is likely not isolated well, or cannot be isolated well as the tooth is not erupted sufficiently, the fissures/grooves/pits not cleaned out well, may have been performed as a temporary measure but not retreated properly or timely at a later date or simply forgotten about, insufficient and non-uniform etching, done as an easy way out of a management challenge, and numerous other variables that dome it to fail.
There is still an indication provided the grooves/fissures/pits are shallow in nature, cleaned out well, isolated well, etched sufficiently, ….
If such ideal conditions are not there, predictability is indeed highly questionable.
Your point, however, is well supported, Glenn.
Andrew
drkddsSpectatorI routinely see secondary decay around FS also. Many of them I’ve placed. I am not ready yet to give up on them, though. I conceed that most of my failures have been from improper diagnosis or inadequate isolation. I have begun using the Isolite during sealants. First, I check the pits and fissures with the diagnodent (if not done at the exam visit or significant time since last exam). I then run the grooves with the DELight, then place BA and seal. Time will tell if this proves to be successful. I think I should increase my sealant fee from ำ.00 if I’m going to be doing them – not delegating them.
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