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    dmd92east
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    I’ve already asked the stupid question now I would like a poll on whether you would buy your erbium all over again or not? Plus I’m closing in on one particular “brand” that offers a choice of a diode and training or a trip to Cancun. So would you or Wouldn’t you and which deal is better? The extra laser or Mexico? Keep in mind I have a Periolase. Thanks

    #6263 Reply

    Nick Luizzi
    Spectator

    David:
    I would buy my erbium over again. It’s the Hoya Delight. It has the reputation of being a ‘workhorse’, it’s not fussy, few problems. The company has been around along time, they value their customers as demonstrated by their upgraded versawave which can be retrofitted to the Delight for a nominal cost. They designed their upgrade with the loyal customer in mind. They honor their warrranty to the letter and offer several different warranty levels and fees for such. And their tips are polishable which gives them lots of like-new use. You can get miles and miles out of them.
    I have learned the hard way that there is ‘no such thing as a free lunch’. You certainly don’t need the diode laser if you own the periolase. A free trip to Cancun? I don’t know about that, I would stick to laser purchaseing.
    I have no affiliation to make these statements, it’s just from my persective and with the benefit of the due diligence that I did 3 years ago. You do yours and I’m sure you’ll be happy with your choice. Good Luck with it. Nick

    #6258 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    David: I have both the DeLight and the Versawave and if I h ad to buy one all over again, I would buy the same laser because
    1. The laser is reliable and rarely is down.
    2. The fiber is flexible and reliable, and I can polish the tips.
    3. I love the ability with the scope to see around the handpiece and I can get the laser into areas where I cant get the drill.
    4. The company has been great to me, they are honest and support me in the lecturing and travelling to different places.
    5. The laser works great for many things that I didnt do before including osseous and soft tissue procedures.

    Hope that helps…..

    PS I wont be able to attend Cancun next year as I was going to try and lecture there but I have a prior engagement for lecturing here in Vancouver on the same dates. It will be a great meeting. I also like the diode laser so either way will be great.

    Cya

    Glenn

    #6255 Reply

    dkimmel
    Spectator

    Yep I would buy all 3 of my ER lasers again. Heck I would like to get a fourth. However Susan would lets say not be happy. I have learned so much form each one. As far as Cancun vs the diode. You have the Periolase so you don’t need a diode. My diode is the least used of my lasers….As far as Cancun…Unless you just want to go , I would ask form a discount or more tips. Yep the more I think of it ask for the difference in tips!!! Oh, Better yet an advance course that I hear is soon to be taught!! smile.gif

    #6261 Reply

    N8RV
    Spectator

    Ditto what’s been said.

    I bought the Hoya a few years ago and also bought their DiodDent diode laser. It sits in the corner collecting dust now. I have no need for it with the PerioLase in the office.

    #6257 Reply

    dmd92east
    Spectator

    Thanks everybody!!!!!!!!!

    #6259 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    I think that with the periolase you dont need a diode.

    Take the Cancun trip or take credit towards CE as you will need training for the laser (like the Periolase which has unrivalled training in my estimation)

    Hope that helps

    Glenn

    #6256 Reply

    dmd92east
    Spectator

    My thougts are put the diode in another op for restorative needs rather than keep schlepping the periolase from room to room. Or let the hygienists use it for stm?

    #6264 Reply

    Swpmn
    Spectator

    I have used a HOYA ConBio DELight erbium and HOYA DioDent diode for three years and have been extremely pleased with HOYA products and service. My first dental laser was a Biolase Waterlase and I was not pleased with machine reliability or service from the company.

    A properly used diode laser is an affordable, EXCELLENT tool for crown and bridge impressions. Mine does not collect dust as I use it every day. In my opinion, a diode laser(800nm range) provides no benefit in the treatment of periodontitis(STM).

    Best wishes with your decision,

    Al

    #6254 Reply

    Anonymous
    Guest

    David, forget Mexico and the diode (unless you just don’t want to move the periolase for C&B).
    Use the discount toward training courses. IMO, getting good with the erbium is much more difficult than the Periolase. the extra training with quickly advance your learning curve.

    #6266 Reply

    Andrew Satlin
    Spectator

    Hi Guys,

    I was curious. Does the diode mode on the periolase really work as well as the diode lasers?

    If so, which laser would you recommend for soft tissue “cutting” ? Not for treating perio disease but for soft tissue crown lenghtening etc.?

    Andy

    #6260 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Hi Andy: If you are going to use a diode, and I use mine every day then I would suggest either Hoya Con Bios Diodent 2, Ivoclars Odyssey 2.4 or even the inexpensive Zap lasers.

    I know of at least 2 companies that are working on new diode products and probably they will be looking at releases at around Greater New York or Chicago Midwinter.

    I am not at privvy to discuss what the companies are or what they are planning on doing but the emphasis is not on the wavelengths now but on size , portability and there are some pretty cool things coming down the pipeline.

    You heard it hear first.

    Glenn

    #6262 Reply

    Nick Luizzi
    Spectator

    Andy:
    When you ask which laser is best for ‘soft tissue crown lengthing’ do you mean just tissue reduction or boney reduction around the tooth closed flap? I have used both periolase and erbium to do CL. I like the efficiency and look of the area as I’m doing it with the erbium. After I cement the temp and remove cement I use the periolase on hemostasis to clot. It’s not the same as diode-dry type clotting. You just must be aware that the erbium tip is not going to descriminate between tooth, cementum or bone. I think I like the water pulse to wash and I can keep tract where I am in the proceedure. As far a diode mode to compare soft tissue for periolase vs diode, that would be a good thing to do at the ALD or similar show side by side.
    Do the diligence yourself them make your own decision. That is the only way to go, get your own data. Hope it helps. Nick

    #6265 Reply

    Andrew Satlin
    Spectator

    Thanks Glenn!

    Hi Nick,

    By soft tissue crown lengthening I meant removal of soft tissue like a gingivectomy. I ‘m a periodontist so I don’t do closed flap crown lengthening. I own a periolase so I am familiar with the diode mode (which I use on many occasions) and the difference between wet and dry hemostasis.

    I guess I was under the impression that the diode lasers removed tissue very quickly like an electrosurge, without its negative effects. The diode mode on the periolase can be a bit slow on cases with very thick fibrotic tissue. Medication associated gingival overgrowth for example.

    Thanks for the input!!

    Andy

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