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dmd92eastSpectatorJust looking for a simple yea or ney. I’ve asked the question before. It’s cool. I love toys in the office. Demo’d one again the other day in my office and did 6 patients all with out LA. Some felt a slight amount. All were happy. One pedo case I definitely would not have done without it, but I just can’t pull the trigger and sign on the botton line. HELP ME>>>>>>
Nick LuizziSpectatorHi David:
I can’t give you a simple yea or nay. But I’ll keep it short. You have been thinking about this since April, you have done extensive due diligence on all the big names, you’ve demo’d. If I were the Erbium I’d say to you,
“David if you don’t ask me to marry you soon, I’m going to give up and go away.” Just jokeing you. You can expense the entire purchase for this year on your taxes. if that will help. Otherwise, make a conscious effort to shelf the decision until next year. If it’s right for you and the way you practice, it will all be there for you next year. I say, take a break from it for awhile. Best Regards, Nick
dkimmelSpectatorYep I would never want to go back to not doing dentistry without my Er’s or Periolase….
Nick LuizziSpectatorand it would make a hell of a good Channuka present to yourself. Nick
dmd92eastSpectatorYa, but I really want that inEos scanner for my CEREC inLab. Digital lab work is the way to go. And I want intraoral cameras. Good thing we celebrate for 8 days.
Nick LuizziSpectatorThere ya go David, you’ve crystalized a priority list. go for it. It’s a great journey, isn’t it. Nick
dmd92eastSpectatorBut Nicky man, what has the erbium done that you wont practice without it. I’m just not seeing it or maybe I’m missing it, but a handpiece is still a lot faster. Please tell me what has been so practice altering. I’s got to know…………….
Nick LuizziSpectatorDavid:
I think you are attributeing Dave Kimmel’s statement made on Nov 4 at 8:14 am to me. If I knew how to show quotes like you guys do I would have done that, however, I think your question was actually directed to him,becausse I never made the statement that I didn’t want to go back to life before having an erbium and a periolase. Although, I agree with Kimmel whole heartedly. It depends on your personal practice profile. How do you want to practice and how do you want your practice recognizedby your clientele and associates. It’s what you want to be known for. Those are issues that only you can can answer because they are specific for you. Now, I could give you a bunch of slick talk regarding how the erbium has effected me and my practice, but most of the important issues have been addressed in previous threads on this topic, by guys who are far more effective at presenting arguments than I am. I think my advise was fairly clear based on being involved in your thread on this topic. The thought process was to help you develope a way of thinkingthat was right for you, not me or anyone else. There are no universal answers just arguments for the pro and the con. Buy the things that make you happy and keep moving. I hope that helps. Nick
dmd92eastSpectatorSorry about that. Yes I meant the question for dkimmel. I do see where an erbium would be usefull, but I guess for me it comes down to priority spending and the fact that I just can’t justify 57 large for it right now. Thanks for your help though.
whitertthSpectatorIt is funny how we evaluate things…i cant in my right mind justify paying for a cerec but I wouldnt give my lasers up for anything. The waY I see it is Cerec saves you lab bill money but the last thing I want to do is stain and galze restoration or keep patients in the chair for extra time …Now I know some people tell patients to come back in a few hours but that partially defeats the purpose for me…So for me spending 100 large on a cerec makes no sense…Now with lasers, no morepacking cord, easier to do soft tissue without local, , multiple quads of operative without local( most of the time) making my life easier and providing a higher level of service, I like my good friend dave, would never give up my lasers.
dmd92eastSpectatorGranted. Cerec, at least in my mind is about conservative dentistry, esthetic alternatives to amalgam and gold, patient convienence with no temps and impressions and second appointments to be possible re-anesthetised. It is a big investment no doubt, but digital CAD/CAM is not going to go away and will only get better. 3M just paid 95 million to an imaging company that only had an idea, patent and no product to sell. Think they are worried about the impression business? I love my periolase and would love to get a diode for convienence. The erbium is at the top of my list once my other toys are paid for. It just seems for now my handpiece works faster. But I’m glad to see that you guys love your erbiums and that they are not just sitting in the corner like so much technology ends up doing.
dmd92eastSpectatorFROM THE 3M web site:
“This investment reflects 3M’s commitment to advanced technology and to invest in markets which are likely to become high-growth areas in the not too distant future,” said Brad Sauer, executive vice president, 3M Health Care Business.“Adding Brontes’ innovative technology to our oral care business, along with previously announced investments and partnerships, strengthens our technology portfolio and product development programs for the future, and creates solid platforms for growth in adjacent market segments,” said Tom Engels, division vice president, 3M ESPE.
“We believe that intraoral 3-D scanning will become the standard of care in our field, and we have confidence that 3M will help our vision become a reality,” commented Eric Paley, chief executive, Brontes Technologies. “We’re delighted to join the 3M team.”
dmd92eastSpectator3M Acquires Developer of 3-D Imaging Technology for Digital Dentistry, Brontes Technologies Inc.
ST. PAUL, Minn.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–3M today acquired Brontes Technologies Inc., a Lexington, Mass.-based developer of proprietary 3-D intraoral imaging technology for ๯ million in cash.
dkimmelSpectatordmd92east,
I thought you just wanted a Yes or No???Your right, a HP is fast, it’s less expensive and you can do almost anything a laser can do…
There are many clinical reasons to use a laser from less fracturing of enamel to being able to do cross arch quads of dentistry without a shot. Its even fun and the patients love it.
From a business point of view it also has merit. It has always been said that as dentist we do not compete with each other but for the patients discretionary dollar. I disagree we do compete , with each other. We compete for the patients that value our services enough to use thier discretionary dollars for dentistry. This is a realtively small number of patients as compared to the total population. The Er lasers brings an increased value of our services to a larger group of potential patients.
It gives me a niche. It shows that I am different from all other practices in my area. It does not allow me to do that many more procedures to increase my billing. It gives me a steady flow of new patients that value what I do and pay for it themselves. (our collection rate YTD is 100%).
Unlike the Periolase and Er laser is not for everyone. You have to change how you think and work when using an Er laser. You have to relearn your restorative skills. You have to invest time and money in your practice.Hope that helps.
dkimmelSpectatorOn scanning, http://www.cadent.co.il/crown_bridge.html
Pretty cool .
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