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    Glenn van As
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    I am going to see if the power of photography helps you with this case.

    No long drawn out explanations, lets see if the pics speak about the treatment. There are alot of them but the whole case was done with lasers except I used a small curette to remove bone remnants and soft tissue remnants. Time for treatment was 1 hr 45 mins or so with photos included but I am darn slow.

    Laser Gingivectomy with diode on one side at 1.0w CW, connect the dots, remove tissue with hollenbach (learned this from Don Coluzzi).

    Erbium Gingivectomy on other side with two different tips
    -Chisel at 30Hz 50 mj (bigger footprint) air only
    -400 micron at 30 Hz 30mj air only, a little ragged.

    Debulking and refinement of tissue done with chisel tip in contra angle handpiece at 30 Hz 50 mj no air to smooth out papilla.

    Frenectomy done at 1.0watt CW with diode (no bleeding to obscure view).

    FLap cut with Erbium laser soft tissue tip at 30Hz and 70 mj no water, light air.

    Bone removal done in three steps.

    1. Gross reduction done with Chisel tip 30Hz and 100mj or so.
    2. Refinements done with 400 micron tip 30 Hz and 60-70 mj with water. Note angle of approach.
    3. Hand instruments at end to reduce remnants close to root.

    Bony protuberance removed with Chisel tip, 30Hz and 130mj or so to make it a little faster.

    Tissue welding with diode at 0.5-0.6w CW dragged across incision. SUtures place 5.0 to keep flap down.

    Hope you like it, healing photos to come. Patient going through with crowns eventually, and full mouth work up.

    Glenn

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    #7078 Reply

    whitertth
    Spectator

    Glenn,
    This the nicest, most well documented case I have seen on the board…U did an awesome job!
    Great result , you and your patient should be proud of…

    #7080 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    THanks Ron…….very kind statements and remember its easy to document with the scope. No stopping to take the camera. Just click click click as I go.

    Next one will be a video.

    ALl the best

    Glenn

    #7077 Reply

    paulbaltas
    Spectator

    Dear Glen
    Thankyou for taking the time to document and share such a detailed case.

    Keep up the great work.

    PS We are looking forward to seeing you in Australia next month!

    Kind Regards
    Paul

    #7081 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Hey Paul: I cant tell you how much I am looking forward to coming “downunder” next month. I have to work on the lecture for that soon, and get it all done.

    I hear that the meeting there will be very large and I intend to try and give them a graphically appealing lecture there with lots of cases like this and some videos to boot.

    It should be an eye opener for anyone not already excited about lasers.

    Thanks for the kind words and looking forward to meeting everyone in 7 weeks or so…….its coming fast.

    Glenn

    #7075 Reply

    Samuel Moss
    Spectator

    Glenn,

    This is much easier to view than on DT. What a great case!! Knowing where you want the teeth in the face and such well thought out planning will give you optimal results. This case of yours has given me pause to reflect on the past cases where I have done crown lengthening closed. On a few, I have had to go back months after the case was put in and numb up the anterior area so that I could probe to bone. Invariably I would find 1 to 2 places where the BW was violated that would make the whole gum area red. Then I would just go in with a scaler, flick off that piece of bone to get to 2.5 mm (margins sunk 0.5 mm sub-g), and everything would be hunky dory.

    I know what I do is perio heresy, but I got the idea from John Kois. Again, ignorance is bliss..or not so blissful after Dan Melkers showed his posterior beautiful work and pointed out things in your case that I had never thought of. Also, John NEVER said to do what I do; I apparently mistook his awesome lectures, and began doing closed procedures. He did say that in BW violation cases of the “red-gummed tooth” that he probes to find the offending area and “flicks off” the bony invader. Sorry I went on and on, but you and Dan’s gorgeous work has made me re-think how I am doing things.

    I really am interested to see how this turns out cosmetically with balanced gingival architecture and if you ever have to go in to “touch up.”

    Thanks, again, Glenn for sharing a remarkably detailed and well thought out case.

    Sam

    #7076 Reply

    Samuel Moss
    Spectator

    Glenn or Bob,

    Can the Periolase be used in the same context as the diode? Stupid follow up to a stupid question: if so, would you use the diode, gingivectomy, or CL setting or would any of these do as well as the other?

    My wife says I need to get a life.

    Sam

    #7079 Reply

    ELLIOT ROGOFF
    Spectator

    Don’t know how I found this post of yours but I want to thank you for taking the time to do this. Your work is absolutely beautiful and I learned alot just from following your thoughts as you did it. I am new to laser dentistry and can’t wait to see more. I have signed up to attend the ALD meeting in New Orleans and if cases like this are presented then I am in for a treat. I am in the Northeast and don’t really get to hear or see you much. Could you followup with an email to keep me informed of your schedule. Thanks

    #7074 Reply

    Glenn – WOW! Being that I have worked up a few of my own cases on this forum, I know how much time that must have taken. It’s not the taking of the photos that takes so long as the editing! Great job of putting this together. I love it!

    Although, I’m not gonna let you off too easy. I definitely want to see the post-ops! I have no doubt that they will be beautiful. But you know how it is – without the post-ops, it’s hard to squash the doubters!

    Man – great work! Keep it up.

    Kelly

    #7082 Reply

    Lee Allen
    Spectator

    Glenn,

    Very nice case and documentation. I think the results are predictable and will be superb.

    I have done some cases like this with the YSGG Erbium and in comparing your great visuals with what I usually see, could we compare notes?

    My machine is set at 25 Hz and I notice that you choose 30. Since you have the choice of Hz, has this become your favorite setting and why?

    Concerning tissue effects, I do my initial incisions with 0.75 Watts using a 400 micron tip since the 600 micron has to be set at a higher wattage to get the same power density at the tip. I think having a wider incision using the 600 is not important or desirable if suturing. But more to the point, the larger tip seems to leave an obviously ragged edge. Your rate of firing is higher and therefore with a 400 micron tip in motion will leave a smoother edge.

    In time I do not think there is a difference in healing results, but the immediate esthetics and predictability of the gingival margin location have to be more easily visualized with or without a scope.

    Opps, my rationalizations are showing.

    Anyway, great case. I would love your comments on the differences in the Hz and effect on soft tissue raggedness. Is it the Hz or the tip sizeand cruising speed that has greater effect?

    I love the patient comfort post-op. I’m sold on Erbium surgery.

    Thanks for the time you put in collecting the pictures and posting. I have to find my camera.

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