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Glenn van AsSpectatorHi folks, I did this case today with the hard tissue laser. We didnt use any anesthetic and even though it was a moderate to small one, it was a very tough access.
I wanted to show a cool J. Morita cheek retractor I got at the ADA. The benefit is that the buccinator is pulled out with this retractor so it keeps it out of the way.
I use it for photos most of the time but this was a great case for it keep the tooth viewable and my other hand free.
Soft tissue retracted without water, and 30Hz and 30-50 mj. Hard tissue with 30Hz and 50-70 mj with water.
It worked out ok in a touch area to see, filled with Dyract flow to prevent recurrent decay.
patient very happy to have no anesthetic……..as I always say…..
“Dentists are fine with the needles and drills , its the patients who arent.!!”
Cya
Glenn
http://www.sendpix.com/albums/021025/2149310000025c485a5c896a180781/
SwpmnSpectatorLooks great, Glenn excellent treatment!
Third molars are difficult to profoundly anesthetize for restorative when we use conventional handpiece. If we can place restorations with the laser on an unanesthetized patient it is a great benefit.
Retractor idea is great as it is always difficult to retract buccal tissue when we go to place a facial Class V.
Any ideas on placing a similar restoration on the lingual of mandibular third molars? We have an elderly population in Florida and could spend the rest of our lives battling Class V caries.
Personally I have found that using a wooden tongue depressor works well in these instances. Far better than a dental mirror to retract the tongue.
Thank you for sharing,
Al
Glenn van AsSpectatorGreat question and one for which I dont have an answer. We typically do 6 handed dentistry on these as I retract with a cotton roll. How do the tongue depressors taste in non anesthetized patients.
” I hated the taste of popsicle sticks as a kid”
Grin
Glenn
2thlaserSpectatorHave either of you guys tried a Svedopter? I used to use one in dental school, 20 years ago, when I didn’t have a dental assistant. I just ordered a new one, and it is invaluable to keep the tongue out of the was, as well as suction at the same time. If placed gently and correctly, even if they are not anesthetized, it is comfortable. Just a thought. Glenn, how do you post photos to sendpix?
Al, how has it been going with the Waterlase?
Mark
2thlaserSpectator‘spell corrected version!;)”
Have either of you guys tried a Svedopter? I used to use one in dental school, 20 years ago, when I didn’t have a dental assistant. I just ordered a new one, and it is invaluable to keep the tongue out of the way, as well as suction at the same time. If placed gently and correctly, even if they are not anesthetized, it is comfortable. Just a thought. Glenn, how do you post photos to sendpix?
Al, how has it been going with the Waterlase?
Mark
SwpmnSpectatorGlenn:
Haven’t tried my tongue depressor technique on unanesthetized patient, probably tastes like crap!
An older(oops, more experienced) female associate showed me how to place a 2 X 2 gauze deep in the lingual vestibule then place the end of the tongue depressor against the mandible(on the 2 X 2) and fulcrum the tongue away. Tongue sticks to the “popsicle stick”.
This would probably hurt a patient who wasn’t numb but I’ve found quite useful for lingual cervical caries and lingual margins of second molar crown preps. Also has taken a great deal of stress off my left arm when I prep #18 and my assistant’s left arm on #31!!!
Works much better than trying to retract with a dental mirror or high volume evac.
Al
AnonymousGuestAl,
I have filters that pop in behind the lens of the safety glasses that come with my loupes. They are wavelength specific. In the Laser Supply Forum there is a thread with links to Innovative Optics and Trinity which can make these. For the last pair (diode) I ordered the snap in frame from Surgitel and then sent it off to Trinity and they made the filters fit that frame.
I’ll try and remember to take a picture and post it tomorrow, of the filters for the loupes that I have.
BenchwmerSpectatorI ‘ve used Laser Clip-Ins for my Orascoptic Loupes for over three years. They fit inside the glass frames. Light grey tinted.
Recieved from Innovative Optics 800-990-1455
My inserts work w/ Nd:YAG, Diodes and Erb:YAG wavelengths.
Glenn van AsSpectatorPhone Tom Barrows at Innovative Optics and have him make a filter for your glasses to drop behind them.
Erbium isnt as dangerous as Diode, argon or some of the others but it isnt good to not use safety lenses.
Argon is absorbed by the retina and causes problems there.
Erbium is absorbed by the cornea and lens which has water in it……..
Each individual wavelength has its own issues.
I have posted some pics before of laser safety options with the scope but ask if you want me to repost.
Look for Trinity or Innovative optics.
There are web pages for each I think
Glenn
SwpmnSpectatorWe appreciate your help Ron, Jeff and Glenn.
Al
Janet CenturySpectatorI am having a “silly” problem. When I have the insert for my loupes (for the Erbium) I cannot control the fogging. I don’t have this problem with the loupes alone. Advice?
dkimmelSpectatorCould this be just the initial excitement of using the laser? It should resolve with time!!
David
Alan CadySpectatorThe problem I have with the safety glasses it that they will not fit behind my DFV glasses. I have them so that I have to bend my neck very little. When I put them on my 5.0 Surgitels they also fog up just like Janet. Ant although I still get excited about lasers after 2 1/2 years use, I control that well. ;o)
Alan Cady
dkimmelSpectatorThis is week #2 with the Waterlase and the Lasersmile. I have been ignoring the safteyglass issue with the Waterlase and just not using maginicfation with the Diode laser. Yesterday was a fairly full day with using both lasers. At the end of the day I had extreme eye fatique and a headache. My vision in my right eye was blurry. It was almost as if I had a sunburn. Sort of like when I am out on the water on a real sunny day and have forgotten my sunglasses.
Everything is clear this morning. Looks like I will need to decide quickly on what eyeprotection to use. I did find that the safetyglasses from Biolase will fit over the front of my DFV 2.5. I used this with no problems with the diode laser today. It may sound odd but I have to use my DFV 4.5 to even begin to see what I am doing with the Waterlase. The safetyglasses will not fit over the 4.5s but the DFV 4.5 will fit over the safteyglasses. So in the short term I have solved my problem. Not very fashionable but at least my sight is still clear .
Glenn van AsSpectatorDavid: I am so glad that you say that you need 4.5X to see what you are doing. Now you know why I love working at 10X power with the scope with the laser and why I feel naked without it when I go on the road
Try the filters if you can get them inside the loupes as the diode can be very very bad for your eye.
The ebium affects your cornea and your lens and the diode can affect your retina.
Dont risk it , honestly, get the filters for the loupes. Your eyes will thank you!!
Glenn
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