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drnewittSpectatorThis patient wanted to have me do something about her “stubby Side teeth”. She did not want her diastema changed and was not interested in veneers at this point.
Perio readings were taken before and after ( just realized I should have taken some after tx probe shots also)
Erbium with a 80 degree tip, no water spray, 3hz 70 mj with topical anesthesia on #12 (US$=7). (you can see the topical on the #22(US$-10). I bumped it up to 10hz, 70mj for the #22 and found she definitely felt more. Also had a little less control over contouring.
There was a little bleeding towards the end of the treatment. She was very happy with the final result after about 10 minutes.
Looking for suggestions and input on how I may have improved on this case.
drnewittSpectatorGuess it would help if you had an image to look at
Glenn van AsSpectatorGreat case and nicely handled. I often will use 30 Hz and 30 mj or 10 hz and 50mj.
If you lower those settings next time you may find less pain.
Nicley handled Paul
Glenn
ASISpectatorHi Paul,
Good result. What was the sulcular depth after the recontouring?
A coloured probe will stand out better.
Thanks for sharing.
Andrew
drnewittSpectatorThanks Guys
The probing depth after tx was 1 -1.5
Coloured probe is a great idea, it is hard to see the marks on the probe in the pic. Thanks AndrewI will try with the lower mj and higher Hz next time also. Thanks Glen
kellyjblodgettdmdSpectatorPaul – great result. I’m sure your patient is so thankful. Please do a favor and post your post-op pics when you take them. I’ve done this before on a couple patients where I impinged on the biologic width, and the tissue crept back to where it was. I’d love to see how this looks long term.
You certainly created a lot of value for your patient. Great job!
Kelly
drnewittSpectatorRegarding bio-width. what would you guys do in terms of osseous recountour to maintain it? open flap? closed? Tip? settings?
I will get follow up pictures.
kellyjblodgettdmdSpectatorPaul – with respect to osseous recontouring, I would lift a flap. I think it’s the only way to know for sure that you have properly contoured the bone and placed it exactly where you want it. I would use a wider tip, like a G-series (for the Waterlase) or similar if it’s another laser. I think it’s hard to beat direct visualization, especially in the anterior esthetic zone.
Kelly
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Nice case…
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Lee AllenSpectatorHi,
This case seems to peak my interest from the standpoint that I have a pending case that is related. It is 4 months post ortho / mouth breather case. There is definite papillary hyperplasia 6 – 11 with some delayed eruption. The patient refuses to go to the usual perio source and wants me to do it without anesthetic.
I will call Doug Boudreaux tomorrow to see if the magic elixor will be our salvation. When you use this, is the 5 minutes a latent period before starting and how long can I expect the anesthetic to last? What about interproximal penetration? I have EMLA, also 20% Benzocaine but if you feel this is a proven better performer than these, please let me know.
I will be using an Erbium. ( Not everyone owns a Nd:YAG.) Usually using a G-6 or a T-4. Any suggestions on an alternative tip for broad area ablation?
drnewittSpectatorHi Lee
Although I have not had the chance to use it yet I hear the chisel tip is good for broad ablation. Others on here who have used the chisel could possibly offer some comments.
drnewittSpectatorWell, here it is finally. My patient finally returned for some treatment and I managed to get a picture of the end result… 11 weeks later. Although the picture is at a little different angle and the teeth look slightly longer in the final shot I think it shows how things turned out fairly well.
Looks like the right lateral tissue has come back down where as the left lateral tissue has remained stable or moved up slightly. As Kelly pointed out, there might have been more of a Bio width issue on the right lateral.
drnewittSpectatorGuess having the image would help
Glenn van AsSpectatorNeat pictures Paul and thanks for sharing , this is how we all learn and I too have found that many times the tissue will rebound after the initial work.
SOme may have ideas on how to prevent this.
Gotta fly…………
Glenn
emc85Spectatorunless it is hyperplastic gingiva, there is no doubt there will be regrowth. you will need to reduce the bone via open flap or closed flap.
this is for paul and glenn: go flames go!
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