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dkimmelSpectatorThis is #9 and #10. It is a phased case. The patient will ended up with perio sx, 6×11 in fixed with a RPD . For now $ is tight so we are doing diercts and keeping him in a holding pattern. #9 will need endo. He has just had 3 RCTS and another would push him over the edge .
So these are two facial composites. Both needed to recontour the gingival as the caries was sub and the tissue was fibrous and thick. #9 was deep and slight caries was left over the pulp.
Setting Gingival recontouring was 1.75 W /11%a /7%w
Enamel was 3.5W/65%a/55%w
Dentin was 2.5W/65%a/55%w
Questions/ observations
1. Recountouring the tissue was a little difficult for me. The Horizontal was rather easy. Using the silk fibers as you guys suggested was a great aid. Still need to work on smoothing the area. The thinning was the hard park. I sort of got what I wanted. It seems like doing as Ron did with contouring with a diamond then going back and painting with the laser would be easier. Bleeding looks like a problem in the pictures but really was not until air was blown on the tissue. The low water setting on my unit are a pain. There is a delay in the water that seems like forever. You have to defouse wait til the water starts and then work. Tough to do in the posteriors. Biolase says they have a hardware/software fix coming out to take care of the problem.
2. Enamel , #9 I thought went well preping the enamel, #10 tended to be rougher and more frosting. Same settings and about the same distance enamel to tip.
3. Dentin seemed fine . Caries removal is something else. This was leathery caries. Just had to get in with the spoon after the bulk was removed. #9 pulp is staring at me. There is some caries left but did not want to risk an exposure. Stll may blowup. I did the enamel setings at defoused for 90 sec just in hopes of helping. Sort of like crossing my fingers.
4. After photo. Well the restorations look good from across the room. Magnification don’t lie. Looks like some recontouring at the next visit and play with the shade some more. These were A5.
5. Tissue response. The way cool part is how the tissue looks post sx. I am used to electro sx and the tissue would look like hell. This tissue looks good for just post op!
David(Edited by dkimmel at 6:42 pm on April 14, 2003)
2thlaserSpectatorNice Case David. The laser makes this much easier. Did I miss that you did or did NOT use anesthetic? Also, I have never had that problem with low water settings with my laser, which is good I guess. What tip did you use for recontouring? Also, why did you use 1.75W for tissue? Just wondering what your rationale is. I think the composite on #9 looks great, obviously #10 a tad light, but hey, what a great service in a transitional case. Clap clap as Bob and Glenn would say. You seem to be grasping laser use real well. Sure you want to visit Montana? 😉
Mark
Glenn van AsSpectatorDavid first off I think you did a wonderful job for the patient and you are to be congratulated for it. Really nice stuff. I have a litany of questions for you just because it is SO exciting to have others post pictures of such nice quality.
1. Anesthetic or not?
2. I typically use around 1-1.5w as I get more sensitivity higher than that but your result is nice.
3. What material did you use for the Class Vs they are very nice.
4. Did you probe before you started ( I get grilled all the time about biologic width)
5. What camera did you use to get the pics.
6. How long did this take.I think this is wondeful and the centrals are almost the same length now and the result is great.
I dont think there was much enamel left anymore if I look at the pics and suspect this is why it wasnt etched at all.
Great stuff David and welcome to the posting club…..
A standing CLAP CLAP CLAP………cool case.
Glenn
dkimmelSpectatorMark, I used a G4 tip. I did use anaesthetic as the patient was an extereme phobic but does not mind the WAND. Why the 1.75 W? Old habit from using the electro sx. Turn the power up til the tissue carves smoothly. At the lower setting it did not feel like I could control or thin the tissue. Since he was numb I just increased the Watts til the tissue did what I wanted. Still need to work on it though. Still looking forward to Montana ? You bet!!
Glenn
1. Yes anesthetic
2.Often wonder if my Watts and others are really the same form laser to laser!
3. Ultradent Vitlescence A5 with Transmist overlay for #9, #10 was A5 blend to A3.5 with 3M Filtek YT. That is what kiled me on # 10 the Yt was too thick . Just needs to be a very thin layer. Just started using these. Have gotten some nice results . Problem is the look good upside down and the oops!!
4. Probed I did. The guy is going for perio sx. I had 3mm on the facial and maybe took a 1mm.
Used the silk as my guide.
5.Nikon D-1
6.30 min
My hat is off to you guys that post cases with photos as it does take some time!
David
2thlaserSpectatorVery nice David. The reason I asked about the soft tissue wattage, is just that. If he’s numb, go for it, it IS faster. However, if not, 1.75 would be way too much. Again, you are learning fast, it’s cool to watch. Thanks for sharing with us, it’s great!
Mark
whitertthSpectatorGreat stuff David…..Keep posting
Glenn van AsSpectatorThanks David…….I thought the color profile looked familiar on the pics (I have a d1 as well)
By the way shooting for me is a breeze through the scope so it doesnt take me any longer to do the cases.
For Mark, you Rons, Bob it all takes time because you have to get the camera ready all the time.
Nice case and well done……thanks for the tips on materials.
Glenn
Robert Gregg DDSSpectatorDavid–
QUOTE2.Often wonder if my Watts and others are really the same form laser to laser!No. They are not the same. Power must be measured at the fiber tip. The console display is meaningless. AND you must know your device’s pulse duration.
Waterlase PD = 140 usec
Delight PD = 240 usecGet Jeff Manni’s book (see reference section) and a Molectron Power meter (molectron.com) to understand and to know, respectively what’s going on power wise.
Bob
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