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RodSpectatorWell, as being ‘the other guy’, I’ll chime in. First, “HI EVERYBODY!!”
Glenn and I have spoken about this in emails. As I told Glenn, I went to the office the next morning after our original discussion, all excited to cut some porcelain. I got out a few broken PFM pieces that we had in the lab, and fired up the Waterlase.
No dice. NOTHING!! Really pissed me off, because I KNEW that I’d used the Waterlase on porcelain before. All were on chipped veneers except one 6-unit PFM bridge.
In fact, the fella with the bridge was in last Monday. I took a look at where I’d repaired the chip. He had originally broken off the corners of #6 MI and #7 DI that necessitated the repair in the first place. I did not originally make this bridge. The bridge is about 5 years old.
The repair looks great, and like I said, I had repaired it after shaping and creating some mechanical retention with the Waterlase.
Frustrated that the Waterlase wouldn’t touch the PFMs I was trying it on, I called my lab to ask. I really got no good info from the lab, but we discussed that it might be some sort of difference in the porcelains. Hmmmm.
Anyway, thanks for the invite to join here Ron. Maybe I can “hype” some lasers here too, huh? LOL!!!
Rod
(Edited by Rod at 5:36 pm on Nov. 24, 2002)
SwpmnSpectatorWelcome Rod!!!!!
Knew you’d chime in here eventually!
Al
RodSpectatorThanks Al — and thanks for the other advice too.
Rod
Glenn van AsSpectatorHi Rod…….great to have you here. I want to commend Ron for his web site as the primary emphasis here is on learning new techniques in laser dentistry regardless of which laser you prefer. I think it is a great place for learning and for me the personal attacks so often found in other forums arent seen here.
Welcome Rod………its great to see you here.
Glenn
2thlaserSpectatorGlenn,
Good to hear from you. Have you tried your laser on porcelain yet? Just wondering what your results were if you did. Obviously you have the adavantage of the scope, so you can REALLY see more. I am really interested to see what you see.
Mark
Glenn van AsSpectatorHi Mark………it never has cut porcelain in my hands.
I will post some pics soon.
I am sick at home with the flu, first time in 10 years.
Yuck.
Will try later this week when I feel better.
Cya
Glenn
2thlaserSpectatorGlenn,
I hope you feel better soon. It hate it when we catch that stuff! I am going to be lecturing at Greater NY this weekend, any contact with Global you recommend I talk to about scopes?
Mark
Glenn van AsSpectatorHi Mark……..no I wont be at the Greater New York.
Contacts for Global are…….
1. Erin Boyd – Vice President
2. Jeff Kopp – head of marketing and head of international sales.
3. Sean Ryan – eastern regional manager.4. Sales reps who might be there for NY include Mike Mack and John Kuzmik (sp?) as well as NIck Forster from the DC area.
Global is a good company and they are committed to customer service and support.
Get them to put a loaner in your office for a couple of weeks so that you get an idea what you can see and also understand the learning curve.
See if they will throw in the cost of a training program at Newport Coast Oral Facial Institute which is where my buddy Rick Schmidt teaches in Cherilyn Sheets and Jacinthe Paquettes facility.
You can check it out at the following web address:
Take care I am off to get some more rest.
Let me know how it went with the scope.
Glenn
lagunabbSpectatorDid you folks ever come to a conclusion about what happened with the procelain that Mark C. was able to etch in his post (Posted on 1:44 pm on Nov. 18, 2002). The Dentsply Ceramco web site indicate that silver is also in their products recipe.
Glenn van AsSpectatorIts not porcelain……….I have never seen anyone else cut porcelain with any erbium laser.
Glenn
lagunabbSpectatorWhat is it then? In any case, if Mark C. still has the sample, I would like to see it sent to a dentist (like Al) who has both DELight and Waterlase and have the experiment repeated by both machines. It could be a non-representative sample or may be not. We don’t know do we. I was looking at the Ceramco technical section and there seems to a lot of variability in how the porcelain is prepared fired and glazed and then fired again. Almost like making pottery. I am trying to figure out why there is such a big distribution in measured compressive strengths and I am leaning towards the manufacturing process which must be very lab dependent.
Glenn van AsSpectatorGood idea to send it to someone to cut with both lasers.
I have a list of 8 or so docs who bought the Biolase and now in addition have a Delight.
Would be a great study. Allen would do it I am sure.
HEck I would pay the shipping.
Glenn
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