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  • #3000 Reply

    michael sim
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    Does anyone know anything about the VISION MDL-10 diode laser? It is a 2.5 watt 980nm laser which is very affordable.There apparently are a few hundred dental users in Germany.

    #7968 Reply

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Looks cute enough:

    MDL-10 diode laser.jpg

    It is a CW near IR diode and all the benefits and deficeits that they bring……..

    980 is a nice wavelength–just ask my buddy Mike Swick!

    From their website:

    The diode laser

    The decision to the diode laser is an entrance into modern practice.

    The Mdl-10 is with its 2.5 Watt and only 4,7kg weight smaller and easier, but quite efficient diode lasers of the High Powerklasse.

    Its tasks do not only lie in the range of the Endodontie and Parodontologie, also surgical interferences like small Incosionen, Aphten, Herpes labialis and small fibromas etc. are possible

    As is the case for the Mdl-15 the five integrated Lasertheraphieprogramme are available also with the Mdl-10.

    They receive a full guarantee period on the Mdl-10 from 24 months.

    Additionally we offer the possibility to you within the first yearly to a laser apparatus of the higher performance class loss-free to change.

    #7941 Reply

    michael sim
    Spectator

    Many thanks Bob. I fired a email off to the company after reading your reply.A more powerful diode will be better as the diode will degrade over time and a50%degradation of a 2.5 watt will render the 2.5 clinically useless whereas a similar degradation of a 10 watt will still be acceptable.

    kind regards,
    michael

    #7963 Reply

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Michael–

    That’s a very astute observation.

    So price per watt is an important consideration. Excellent point.

    That reminds me, then, that one question a shopper for lasers can ask is what is the “head room” of a specific laser cavity.

    For example, a laser cavity that is rated to produce 12 watts, but there is a “govenor” on the laser that prevents more than 6 watts of output power, has 50% “head room”. That is a laser that’s going to last a long time (10 years plus).

    So a laser with 50% head room, versus only 20% is going to have sufficient allowance for degradation of the laser cavity over the long haul.

    #7940 Reply

    “Head Room” ! Bob, I learn something new every time I read one of your posts!

    Michael – I have a question regarding your Watt requirements. I have an 810nm diode, and I rarely ever take it over one watt. What procedures are you doing where you would need more than 2.5W. Just curious.
    Are you needing this much power for operations like frenectomies? Thanks for the clarification.

    Kelly

    #7955 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Hey guys. One of the things that those using the 980 nm wavelength talk about (specifically Mike Swick) is the High Fluency Technique.

    The 980nm wavlength is by a matter of 4-8 fold better absorbed in water than the 810 nm. With this in mind, Mike will often flood the area with water (they even have a handpiece that floods it with water) and then cut through the water with much higher energy settings than what we typically use (ie 6-14 watts). They get less charring or carbonization of tissue due to the water flow. Mike is fond of saying that the energy is related to the amount of time that the laser is one.

    I love Mike and he and Bob Gregg are two of my all time favs for the literature but this topic is steeped in controversy as some researchers have found this to be true and others dont.

    I do find the 980nm to char less for sure , but am a little leery to put that much energy into the tissue. Mike does it beautifully though!!

    If you want to use the high fluency technique then this 2.5watt laser is useless.

    You must use the Biolitec 980nm which has a maximum of 15watts, on off durations down to .01 seconds each and a low power setting of 1 watt.

    Just wanted to throw some information out. The 980 nm wavlength is popular in Canada as the Institute for Laser Dentistry sells alot of them over the 810 nm diodes.

    They are more expensive and definitely not the same size as the 810nm diodes from Hoya and others but they do have some advantages too.

    Take care

    Glenn

    #7942 Reply

    michael sim
    Spectator

    Kelly,
    i do not own a diode laser yet and thus i do not know the settings for different soft tissue tx . Just asking my learned colleagues their thoughts in this matter. Perhaps ASI can be of assistance as he owns a Biolitec 980nm diode laser.
    ta,
    michael

    #7938 Reply

    Anonymous
    Guest

    michael,
    I think the other thing you’d want to know about this laser is if it can be used in a pulsed or gated mode. Bob’s descritpion above only mentions continuous wavelength (CW) .

    #7943 Reply

    michael sim
    Spectator

    Ron,
    the laser can be pulsed to 1000hz( believe it is a gated continuos laser).

    michael

    #7965 Reply

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Michael–

    There is “gated pulsed CW” lasers and there are “free-running” pulsed lasers in the 10-6 seconds–or millionths of a second–that have a very different effect in tissue with the short interaction times of the beam and “long pulse interval” (tissue relaxation times) than gated pulsed lasers.

    #7961 Reply

    Kenneth Luk
    Spectator

    Hi all,
    I’m a 980 user.
    MDL has a 15w 985nm diode laser. MDL15
    It has three outlets for 200,400 and 600um ( no need to change fiber as 980 Biolitec has only one outlet). There is also an optional output at 635nm for a therapy fiber.
    Pulse settings 1-1000Hz
    500micro sec.( better than 980 at 1000micro sec but still too long duration as compared to Periolase ).
    I’ve used the 980 at 1w or below at cw without water and high fluency 4-8w gated pulse. Both settings work well. I prefer the water spray for cooling the tissue superficially( still got to be careful of power stacking deeper into the tissue).
    I’m still eyeing up on the periolase.
    Kelly, sorry I can’t make it to the Periolase course this weekend. I envy you!
    Ken

    #7944 Reply

    mkatz
    Spectator

    where can I get information about the mdl-10 and mdl-15?…I’ve not been able to locate the company’s website…

    #7956 Reply

    Kenneth Luk
    Spectator

    Hi,
    I manage to locate the company in Germany.
    Vision GMBH
    The website is only in German ( English site is under construction ).
    Here’s is the site anyway:
    http://www.vision-lasertechnik.de
    If you have problem with is, you can go to MSN Germany to look for Vision GmbH.
    Hope this helps.

    (Edited by Kenneth Luk at 1:33 pm on July 6, 2004)

    #7939 Reply

    jkhkwan
    Spectator

    Hi! Michael,

    I saw the diode laser in June 2004.
    The company owner join the exibition in Peking.
    When I ask for an on-site demo., they said that this cannot be arranged as the model is only for `display’.
    Instead they said tht i coild purchase the laser and get it mail to be directly to HK, at a cost of 10,000 Euro.

    Diode laser is a relatively safe machine. I don’t know the philosophy behind the refusal.
    While on the other booth, I had tried the Deka 2940D Er.-Yag.
    I’ve got the brochure in my office.
    Shoud I post it in the forum?

    Julian

    #7962 Reply

    Kenneth Luk
    Spectator

    Hi,
    The MDL 10 is 2.5w 980 10.000 euro
    The MDL15 is 15W 980 20,000 euro.
    They now have an English wbe-site.
    Ken

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