Hi Keith and welcome to the forum and to laser dentistry.

I have both these lasers (Diodent 1 and two versions of the Ivoclar Odyssey) and they are both great. You cant go wrong with either. Both companies are great and both lasers work very well.

THe Diodent 2 allows for the fiber to be sterilized by placing the fiber in the bag and putting it in the Statim. This is not possible with the Ivoclar. It can only be cold sterilized by wiping down the fiber. For some people this is a big issue and the retractable fiber is not possible to autoclave.

For the Ivoclar, they have two versions of the laser (Odyssey and the Odyssey 2.4G). The new version which I have done alot of testing with has a remote control foot pedal and this is a cool addition in that it allows you to put the foot pedal where you want to without worry about cords. I like it alot and it works very well.

The units are both small and portable with perhaps the Ivoclar being slightly smaller. They are similar price wise and both can do what you are looking for with respect to soft tissue crown lengthening , ovate pontic design, frenectomies, crown troughing (I dont use cord ver much anymore if ever) and gingivectomies, apthous ulcer treatments etc.

Now I am partly biased in that I have received honorariums from both Hoya and will start some teaching for Ivoclar soon, so keep that in mind. I will endorse both products as being from solid companies and as solid products to you.

Other diodes that people like include the
Zap lasers
Biolase lasers (Lasersmile and Diolase products)
Opus has some diodes
There are others as well out there.

Go with either the Diodent 2 or the Ivoclar product and you wont go wrong with either.

Hope that helps and for what you want to do with a laser you cant go wrong with a diode!!

Make sure that you get some training with the laser as part of the package.

Take care and welcome again….

Glenn van As

Mickey I dont think that this laser the Clarion is available in North America so I guess it just is important to know where the person is from.

I have ZERO experience with the superpulsed diode but will say that pulse duration for perio is one thing, wavelength (the NdYAG is far better absorbed in black pigmented bacteria and far deeper penetrating than diodes period regardless of pulse duration) is another.

In addition it would seem that in this case the person is asking for a diode to be used not primarily in periodontal pockets (I think that the connective attachment for diodes is Long Junctional epithelium but of course am very amenable to all the published material in Europe on this wavelength that of course I may not have access too).

For cosmetic purposes a lightweight , low cost diode for tissue management is the way to go.

PS could you tell me the cost for the Clarion Elexxion…….

The Ivoclar is around 11,750-12,750 USD and the DIodent 2 is roughly the same cost.

That is the attraction of diodes for those not looking for periodontal treatment in that they are inexpensive and a good alternative to electrosurge where tissue response (ie recession) can be so variable due to high collateral thermal damage that impressions on the same day as tissue managment is not a wise idea.

Hope that helps clarify things and if indeed this person is in UK or Europe then I would consider the diode you mentioned which I have zero experience or knowledge with but do not see it much being sold (is it even available) here in North America.

All the best and have a great weekend.

Glenn

Hi David…for some the lack of sterilizability of the fiber is a big issue. For us here in Canada it isnt as much a problem.

I like the size , simplicity and easy handling of the Odyssey 2.4G (new model) and the footpedal is as advertised. I use mine all the day. Today I did a huge frenectomy and decided to use the erbium…..hit a big blood vessel and pressure + Astringident would not stop the oozing.

Finally the diode did the trick. 7 year old girl a little squirmy but I got it done!!

Take care and I want to say that after a long lull on LDF, this board is again becoming quite active. There are lots of new members and lots of new questions…….its a testament to Ron Schalters great website where the issue is wavelengths……..not brands.

Now does this mean it is time to start posting some cases again……..gotta run……its my anniversary.

Off to dinner without a computer!

Grin

Glenn

The elexxion claros is not available on the US-market until now. After finishing some studies and the FDA approval it will perhaps be available in 2006.

You should not compare this unit to a classical diode. It´s a diode with cutting performance nearly like a Co2 but excellent hemostasis.

Olaf