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    This new patient mentioned at her first appointment how her sister had always made fun of her because she couldn’t stick her tongue out. With a little topical and just a touch of Septocaine, she was sticking out her tongue in no time! She was impressed by how quick and easy it was!

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    #10589 Reply

    Glenn van As
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    Great post and excellent documentation. Outstanding stuff. Did you clamp it with a hemostat and if so where.
    Man these cut through fast huh….the anesthetic controls the hemorrhage. Did it bleed just after the last fibers were cut and there is far less thermal damage after using this compared to the diode …..
    A nicely done case……..show us the followups…….

    Well done Kelly

    Glenn

    #10582 Reply

    Thanks, Glenn. I’ll be seeing her back in about two weeks. I’ll definitely post the post-op pics. I do love the Er for soft tissue. A lot of times I’ll follow up with my Nd:YAG to dry it up. Works great!

    Have a great day!

    Kelly

    #10591 Reply

    Swpmn
    Spectator

    That’s a nice result Kelly and excellent service to the patient. You literally changed her life.

    In a lingual frenectomy case how does one position the tip with the erbium laser? Should the tip be placed parallel to the frenum or should it be placed on the side in a perpendicular fashion?

    What about air emphysema/embolism with the erbium laser? That’s something that makes me nervous working under the tongue and floor of mouth. Can we turn off the air/water and still effectively perform the procedure?

    Al

    #10583 Reply

    Al – great questions! I initiated the ablation by cutting the frenum from straight on. In other words, from the anterior-most aspect of the frenum pointing straight posteriorly. After getting through that thick cord of tissue, I repositioned the laser so that it was pointing sideways, if that makes any sense. I’ll try to put together some pics – I’m sure this would make it much more clear.

    Truthfully, I was concerned about the embolism issue. As the air is blowing, you can see the strands of tissue spreading apart which makes me nervous. I just kept my air and water within my comfort zone, and didn’t get too close. I think also if you can rotate your tip around so that you are pointing more anteriorly than posteriorly, there would be a decrease chance of embolism.

    Thanks for the compliments!

    Kelly

    #10578 Reply

    jetsfan
    Spectator

    I did one of these last week on an 11 year old who was referred to me by a periodontist(he already did the maxilaary labial frenectomy but preferred I do the lingual with the laser). After doing exam , I told the mother that I concurred, a lingual frenectomy was in order. She said OK. I said lets do it now, she said fine the kid protested. I demostrated to the child what he would feel and he suddenly had a burst of courage and said lets do it.(As an aside, the mother had planned speech therapy for the kid, I told her to wait to see what happens after frenectomy).
    I place a topical of Ela-Max 4% for 1 minute. The procede with the frenectomy. I started at .25W 11A 0W  with t-4 tip but that would have taken forever. I then upped it to .5W and it cut through the frenum like butter.
    There was absolutley no bleeding. The child exclaimed, “WOW I could move my tongue all the way back now!” Even though it looked as if I could still cut some more tissue away, I stopped as the patient was pleased and there was no bleeding. I felt certain that if I cut through that last bit of tissue the bleeding would have begun. We will see how this works out.
    Incidentally, I called parent next day and child was fine. When mother offered him tylenol he asked , for what.
    I LOVE THIS STUFF.
    I would love to post the photos but I have some sort of photo- computer- block in my brain.

    #10584 Reply

    Jetsfan – It is awesome to provide such a level of care! I would love to know if these folks become new patients!?! Great job and wonderful service to the patient.

    Kelly

    #10579 Reply

    jetsfan
    Spectator

    KB,
    The entire family are now patients.
    As an addendum to the lingual frenectomy, the mom came in and told me that after the 11 year old had the frenectomy, his brother said he wanted to come to my office to have it done. He didn’t need the procedure, he just wanted to get lasered.

    #10590 Reply

    Kenneth Luk
    Spectator

    Hi Jetsfan,
    Excellent result. I bet it’s very satisfying and rewarding.
    You should put this case on ROI threads to reassure others who want to start Laser Dentistry.
    Ken

    #10586 Reply

    Hi Jetsfan,
    Excellent result
    Great job and wonderful service to the patient.You litterally changed her life.
    A nicely done case.Well done Kelly.
    Have a great day!

    #10580 Reply

    jetsfan
    Spectator

    Finally the correct photos. To reiterate, I did the frenectomy , stopped when kid realized his tongue was freed up. Clinically, it appeared that I could have cut through more fibers, probably would have bled causing hysteria of child so I stopped. We shall see how it heals.
    Looking for opinions, should I have continued for a better result or was it a good time to stop.

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    #10588 Reply

    ASI
    Spectator

    Hi Jetsfan,

    Looks like a significant improvment in tongue freedom from your treatment. I feel one can always do more but the overall patient handling is the decisive factor. No one knows more about your patient and the clinical situation than you.

    Andrew

    #10581 Reply

    Jetsfan – I think that unless this kid is going to try to give Gene Simmons a run for his money, this is going to be plenty of “lingual freedom”. Nice result.

    Kelly

    #10585 Reply

    I wanted to show the post-op photos I took of this case. The patient is now considering orthodontia to move #25 back, as it has been lingually displaced due to the frenum pull.

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    Kelly

    #10587 Reply

    ASI
    Spectator

    Hi Kelly,

    Nice presentation of the case. What kind of software are you using for the handling of the photos.

    Andrew

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