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    Glenn van As
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    Hi folks : heres hoping a great start for you all in 2003 both professionally with your lasers and personally with families and friends and relatives.

    I just thought that it would be nice to show a failing F/S (fissure sealant) case.

    I dont often put F/S in teeth anymore. Back in the mid 80s when I was in dental school we were taught if it wasnt sticky, just stained to seal it.

    Not a great idea in my mind as the diagnodent show all these stained grooves are above 25-30 except in smokers. The fluoride in the toothpastes makes the enamel harder but its still decalcified and the FS doesnt stick to them.

    I dont think that etching the surface and placing a sealant seals these teeth at all. In fact I think that it just acts as a food trap.

    With the scope I often see at high mag shadows under the sealants when looking at them or a piece will come off and I will remove the rest and lots of times there is decay under them.

    Occlusals are the hardest teeth to prep with the laser so often I will do a hybrid technique using the laser initially to anesthetize a bit, then a series of small high speed burs ( 1/4, 1/8th or 1/16th burs from Brassler) to widen the preps and remove some decay and then the laser again to remove the smear layer.

    If the decay is into dentin ( it often is) the patient feels the burs if you dont use the laser sometimes.

    THe laser removes the F/S very very fast, and in addition if you dont follow the grooves with the laser tip but go back and forth over the grooves perpendicular to them you get a much better result ( you flatten the cuspal slopes ) and then can get into the grooves faster.

    Here is a microdental case, I usually fill them with flowables.

    Happy New Year to you all , man 80+ members now.

    Hey Ron it sure would be nice to have a member page with a profile, where you practice , what type of practice you have, what lasers you use , when you graduated and a photo so we could see who is a member here.

    Great to put a face to the name……….

    All the best.

    GlennMicrodental prep.jpg

    #11334 Reply

    Patricio
    Spectator

    I was thinking when looking at Glenn’s pictures how much easier it is to fill and finish the occlusal aspects of a restoration. The materials can be more exactly feathered to the tooth margins and excess all composite removed. This makes the final finishing steps fewer, quicker, easier and much more pleasant for the patient. Glenn is the flowable holding up well? I still use regular composite except in the very small pit type preps. What are others doing/
    Pat

    #11332 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Hi Patricio: THe pics are so much easier to take then having a digital camera that you have to grab each time.

    Mind you , there is the learning curve of the scope to get over but the pics are easy to get.

    I have forgotten how much more difficult it is to work without the magnification, but it really helps you limit how much composite you place, the finishing process.
    I still maintain that alot of white lines are due to inadequate bond or etch which leads to failures not caused by anything else than a lack of vision.

    My preps now are very conservative, (1/8th or 1/16th round burs do that for you) and the only thing I can get in there is flowables which for me are almost like a fissure sealant but more highly filled with resin.

    They are holding up but remember you have to be able to see them first (loupes or some magnification) then after diagnosing the lesions , adequate magnification allows you to be far more conservative in the preps.

    John West found that his accesses done under the scope were 67% smaller than those done without the scope. Its the same principal we use in Oral Surgery with flaps which are for visibility (and sometimes access).

    Now because of the scopes I dont have to widen up the preps unnecessarily to get enough light in to see whether all the decay is gone.

    We diagnose earlier, we treat earlier and I think more conservatively.

    I know that some dont agree with this mentality but it came to me only when I started using the scope and saw what I was missing.

    Finally, one last thing, my new years resolution is to complete my trifecta this year with a third scope for the hygiene room (because often when I diagnose one restoration to do at a recall appointment, I notice there is another one to do in the same area when I get the patient back with the scope).

    i also am aiming for a diode to improve my soft tissue capabilities ( sorry Bob I know it should be an Nd:Yag but I am working it out in trade for lectures etc. with Continuum …..paying full price too.)

    Glenn

    #11331 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Here is another microdental prep where no decay was visible under the sealant when I got it off and the decay was localized to the distal pit.

    Into dentin it was 3mm deep.

    Flowable as well placed.  I have not noticed them breaking down in the 2+ years I have been doing them this way but others may beg to differ.

    I would love some feedback from Ron and others as to the value of the photos and also the layout that I am using.

    i am trying to keep the size down so that I dont use up all Rons space and hope that this is suitable for all parties involved.

    Glenn

    I can also post it to another site Ron, like Sendpix if it is a problem.

    Microdental 2.jpg

    #11333 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    One more for the road.  I just thought I would post one last case to show you how sneaky those non cavitated lesions are.  

    I have mentioned that caries detector gel on erbium preps gives false positives on enamel, and is tough to remove.  Here is the visual proof.

    Preps are around 3mm deep and in addition flowables were used.

    GlennCaries Detector pt1A.jpg

    Caries Detector pt 2A.jpg

    #11335 Reply

    Robert Gregg
    Participant

    Glenn,

    Nice cases.

    QUOTE
    i also am aiming for a diode to improve my soft tissue capabilities ( sorry Bob I know it should be an Nd:Yag but I am working it out in trade for lectures etc. with Continuum …..paying full price too.)

    No need to apologize to me……..I’m just sorry you don’t know the full range of capabilities of a pulsed Nd:YAG can do for your patients.  Cuz you could do stuff that you can’t do now with your erbium or diode.  

    Hey, if you think I’d give you a discount, rest assured, I’d charge you FULL price too!  And let you pay it off lecturing too…….MDT doesn’t compete with ConBio anyway.  Neither the erbium and especially the diode aren’t in the same league as a pulsed Nd:YAG–especially the PerioLase MVP-7.  It’s just the laws of physics.

    Happy New Year!

    Bob

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