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    Tom Davies
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    Bob from Hoya ConBio came to my office last Thursday and set up my DeLight and DioDent. I used them for:

    1. Composite fillings with no anesthesia.
    2. Treatment of a herpetic lesion for a patient who just happened to be in hygiene.
    3. Anterior gingival recontouring for an esthetic case.
    4. Closed crown lenthening.

    I was blown away at how easy it was and how smoothly everything went. The herpes patient has ongoing problems and her words were “If this does what you say it does, it will be life-changing for me and many other people with similar problems.”

    The Delight cut the bone and the enamel extremely well. Reading other forums, I was somehat concerned about how it would do on tooth structure, but it ablated faster than I thought it would.

    The only problem I had was with the eye protection. I had some Innovative Optics inserts which clip onto my TTL Orascoptics. It was a major pain in the rear to use these–they were heavy, and I couldn’t get my loupes far enough back on the nose piece without running into my eye with the insert.

    Any suggestions?rock.gif

    #6965 Reply

    dkimmel
    Spectator

    Tom you might as well break down and buy a microscope and be done with it!! smile.gif

    #6966 Reply

    dkimmel
    Spectator

    Such manners welcome to the forum. Sounds like things are going well. There is no real good eye protection system. IO is about the best there is. The scope comment was for Glenn. Watch out for him as he will get you to buy a scope sooner and later. smile.gif

    #6968 Reply

    drnewitt
    Spectator

    I know I am going to get in trouble for this but I have to share because I thought it was interesting. Not that I’m suggesting anything!

    I recently received a call from my Hoya rep who required one of my spare laser keys for an office just down the street from me. Turns out that this was the office of one of Vancouver’s top Opthamologists who happens to have set up one of the first excimer laser centres in Canada and has been specializing in the field of refractive surgery. He had just purchased a delight Er:YAG to perform, get this, eye surgery for correcting the need for bifocals in the elderly. Apparently, using a standard 400u tip with NO2 rather than O2 he reshapes the cornea by making 100u depth cuts.

    I told him that I thought it interesting that we protect ourselves with laser glasses to prevent damage from the same laser he is putting right on the eye! He had a few comments about that and mentioned doing over 4000 LASIK and over 6000 PRK procedures without any detrimental effect to his eyes, but again, I am not suggesting anything here. Just found it interesting.

    Of Course if you get a scope then the filters are much easier to attach than clip-ons onto loops. At least that is how it looks at Glenn’s office.

    Welcome to the forum Tom smile.gif

    (Edited by drnewitt at 11:46 pm on Feb. 7, 2005)

    #6971 Reply

    paulbaltas
    Spectator

    Hello Tom

    Surgitel make an alternative Laser Filter options for loupes that can clip on the frames, they come in Aviator Style and the new Pro ergo “round” style. They might fit your frames better. http://www.surgitel.com/

    Alternatively you may also want to talk to your optometrist about having the glasses on your loupes treated with a specialised optical thin film coating for use with lasers in the wavelengths you are using.

    These durable coatings are used by the military to coat the visors of pilots helmets & military binoculars to protect them from the eye hazard posed by laser range finders (usually Nd Yag).

    Several eye care companies make coatings that are virtually invisible, but will filter out unwanted IR light.

    I hope this helps untill you get your Microscope! 😉

    Regards Paul

    #6969 Reply

    nvdental1
    Spectator

    I did my first apthous ulcer soft tissue procedure on a pt who I have seen before for the same problem “BL” before laser.  He is an auctioneer in the Las Vegas area, he came in to get another prescription.

    Well, the procedure went as smooth as butter.   I used my DeLight laser on a soft tissue setting.  3-10 hz and and 80-100mj.  The patient was amazed and stupified at my ability to relieve him of his pain within a few seconds.  I was so excited that I forgot to take pictures (sorry).  The patient was so grateful he wanted to buy us dinner. It’s results  like this that make my day and dentistry worth it.

    I’m having so much fun with my DeLight!

    #6967 Reply

    dkimmel
    Spectator

    Pretty cool! I really love doing restorative dentistry with the laser. The thing I get the most pleasure from is when I treat someone like your patient that gets apthus uclers all the time and are just miserable. The look on thier face when the pain is gone is priceless!

    10Hz 100mj seems high as I think about it. Try that on the back of your hand and see if it stings If it does drop the mj down until you get the frosting but no sting. I think it is more like 60mj onmy laser.

    Have fun

    #6970 Reply

    nvdental1
    Spectator

    Thanks for your suggestion Dave.

    As soon as I get into the office tomorrow I will try the settings on the back of my hand. That’s nice to know and a great tip!

    I did a Zoom bleaching on a pt that developed apthous ulcerations (2) on the mand lingual attached gingiva. I guess we didn’t isolate the area well enough. So the next go-round will be tomorrow.

    There aren’t too many dentists in Las vegas with the laser and word has definetly gotten out about me. I’m proud :big grin:.

    #6972 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Hi Pamela…….off to Vegas tomorrow to see Bob Gregg and company, and even the famous Ron Schalter will be at the RItz Carlton for Friday and Saturday. If you get a chance come by and say hi as its the Millenium Dental Technologies 2nd annual meeting and they even invite the odd oddball like me who cant quite buy their laser yet!!!

    Take care

    Glenn

    #6974 Reply

    N8RV
    Spectator

    After a couple hundred restorations, I’ve actually starting to learn a thing or two on my own. With all of the generous help I’ve gotten here from you guys, it’s time to share a little of what I’ve learned.

    While this is not a novel concept, it came as a bit of an epiphany to me yesterday as I was opening yet another “stained groove” which turned into a BIG hole (I REALLY need to get a Diagnodent!) It occurred to me that, with the increase in magnification that I’ve been using since getting the lasers, things look really BIG. Hey, I told you it wasn’t a novel concept.

    Anyway, I realized that most of my preps were too conservative. I thought I was making rather generous “toilet bowl” preps to allow complete removal of decay, only to find that they needed to be bigger. I finally looked AROUND my loupes to discover that what I thought were rather large preps were actually quite small by my unmagnified standards.

    Knowing that, I need to concentrate on making my access preps even larger than I have been to allow better access. Having taken a look without magnification made me realize that even seemingly large preps under magnification are actually quite modest. I guess that’s the hazard of using two or three different levels of magnification during a day’s work.

    I hope that helps fellow newbies and saves some frustration.

    — Don McNamara

    #6973 Reply

    N8RV
    Spectator
    QUOTE
    Quote: from nvdental1 on 12:38 am on Feb. 17, 2005

    I did a Zoom bleaching on a pt that developed apthous ulcerations (2) on the mand lingual attached gingiva.

    Pam, glad to see that you’re having fun! I did the same with a cold sore on a hygienist, except that after using the Er:YAG, I hit it the next day with the diode and the erbium — never broke out and by day three, there was no evidence that it was ever there. Pretty cool, huh?

    Just a side note, however, on your reference to an aphthous ulcer on the attached gingiva on your Zoom patient …

    Way back when I was taught that RAU didn’t occur on attached gingiva, but lesions there would be herpetic. Unless things have changed (and LOTS of things have!), you might want to treat it as a herpes lesion and not a RAU and take some precautions against infection.

    — Don

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