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dh1315SpectatorHello everyone,
I am new to the forum and have really enjoyed reading all of the insights and information about the variety of topics. You all seem to be very passionate and educated about laser dentistry which is very inspiring. I will be buying a laser very soon and would like some honest feedback regarding two Yag systems, the opusdent opusduo and hoya conbio delight. I have used the hoya and like the delivery system as well as the different handpieces and attachments that make viewing the working area easier than most. However I have heard talk of the opusduo having two times the wavelenth and power of the hoya and cutting hard tissue much faster (which is the main reason for the purchase). Could you please help steer me in the right direction and give me some other opinions. I do not know anyone who has the opusduo so I do not have much feedback about it. I will be trying it out next week. Thank you all in advance.
Glenn van AsSpectatorHi there and welcome to the board: One thing about this forum is the professionalism shown amongst different users including Opus (Jeff Cranska), Biolase and Delight users. ITs nice to know that the discussions here are brand free.
I am a DeLight owner (I have 2) and lecture for the company so take my comments for what they are. I would caution you that the wavelength for both lasers is 2940nm so neither laser is different in their wavelength.
THe differences in my opinion having used both are less in how fast they cut either hard or soft tissue , but more in the delivery systems, look of the unit, flexibility of the fiber, tip design etc.
The Opus Duo has the ability to have CONTACT tips on their hollow waveguide fiber. It is a different delivery system than the fiber delivery system that Hoya has.
THe Duo has both a CO2 (an ok but not great soft tissue laser in my opinion, as I think Diodes and Nd Yags are better but that is purely my opinion.)
The unit from Opus is stylish looking, and it cuts ok as I have tried it. In all honesty the best approach is to talk with users from both camps, try both lasers out, ask on web forums for input.
If I was to buy another hard tissue laser right now…….I would buy the same laser.
Just my 02 cents worth.
Glenn
dkimmelSpectatorAll Opus users are evil. The OPus unit brings it out in them. We have a local Opus users. He used to be a nice guy. Now he has gone to the darkside.
The best thing to do is see the units for yourself. Go to the company sponsored events and spend time playing with the units. Better yet find someone with either unit and spend some time with them. I am sure the company rep can find someone for you.
Glenn, Professionalism?
It was just too easy for a MOnday morning!
DAvid
SwpmnSpectatorQUOTEI am new to the forum and have really enjoyed reading all of the insights and information about the variety of topics. You all seem to be very passionate and educated about laser dentistry which is very inspiring. I will be buying a laser very soon and would like some honest feedback regarding two Yag systems, the opusdent opusduo and hoya conbio delight. I have used the hoya and like the delivery system as well as the different handpieces and attachments that make viewing the working area easier than most. However I have heard talk of the opusduo having two times the wavelenth and power of the hoya and cutting hard tissue much faster (which is the main reason for the purchase). Could you please help steer me in the right direction and give me some other opinions. I do not know anyone who has the opusduo so I do not have much feedback about it. I will be trying it out next week. Thank you all in advance.dh315:
I have only used the Opus Duo on extracted human teeth or hog jaws. In my hands, the Opus Er:YAG did not appear to ablate extracted teeth any faster than my Waterlase or DELight. The hollow waveguide delivery system of the Opus Er:YAG seemed short, stiff and awkward to me when compared to the long, flexible fiber optic delivery systems of my Waterlase and DELight erbiums.
Regarding the carbon dioxide soft tissue laser on the Duo, to me it seemed best suited for gross reduction of soft tissues. For example, frenectomy or removal of an epulis in denture patients. Difficult for me to envision using a carbon dioxide laser for precise retraction of gingiva around crown/bridge or composite preparations. Personally I use a diode laser for this purpose, many find success using a Nd:YAG laser.
Al
BenchwmerSpectatorDH,
I’m going on 2 years as an OpusDuo user. I only have the Erbium laser in the cabinet. I’ve had a PerioLase for 5 years (Nd:YAG) and couldn’t see where I would use the CO2.
The OpusDuo Erbium has been a workhorse. I use it in conjunction with Air Abrasion for Microdentistry restorations, Class I, II, tunnel prep composites. It is wonderful for removing old composites, preparing Cl III, IV, V composites. I have no problems with the waveguide, it requires a couple of inches of case movement for Max vs. Mand arches, it has wheels. The handpiece has the feel of a high speed handpiece, the sapphire tips range from 200microns to 1000microns. I like the conical contact 800 micron tips. They are used with a red aiming beam and a variable water spray.
You can vary the Hertz with the footpedal which allows for decreased energy (less hurt) when removing deep caries w/o anesthetic. I rarely use any LA on caries removal.
It has a hi tech looking touch screen for easy setting of power for procedures. It gives you a preset for hard or soft tissue procedures, tells you water or not, what range of tips to use. You can increase or decrease from these settings on the touch screen.
An Erbium laser doesn’t cut like a bur, but along with the use of AA and a spoon excavator or #2 round bur on slow speed, It prepares most of my initial placement composites or composite replacements w/o LA. Removing amalgams, I always use LA and a bur.
I like the Erbium for laser biopsies. fibroma removals, thick frenectomies, operculectomies.
The concern now is education, support and continuing production from the Erbium manufacturers.l
I did attend a Symphony of Lights 2-day education and training class sponsored by Opus in Las Vegas last December. They have changed some of the speakers since.
Hope this helps give you some questions and answers.
Jeff
Glenn van AsSpectatorWonderful post Jeff……..and to back up what Jeff has to say he has done a ton with the laser, and knows the Opus inside out better than most.
Great post and I use my erbium very similarly to yours Jeff, not on alot of Class 1 or 2s on adults but Class 3 , 4 and 5s as well as some soft tissue, endo disinfection an bone.
I forgot that you have the stand alone and are capable of telling him how good the Nd Yag is for perio.
Great post Jeff and that is what makes this forum so darn good, its the professionalism that is first and foremost, ………..WELL EXCEPT FOR THAT KIMMEL CHARACTER but we keep him around for his good looking wife and the hope that one day he will buy a scope!!
Grin
Glenn
dh1315SpectatorThank you all very much for your insights and opinions. I look forward to getting more involved in laser dentistry. Additional comments are much appreciated. And David, I will try to not turn into Dr. Evil if I end up with the Opus.
Danny
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