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  • #2831 Reply

    Glenn van As
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    Hi there folks: As I get more comfortable with the erbium for osseous recontouring, I find that I am looking more and more at biologic width issues and making sure I have enough when I didnt before primarily because of the ease of doing this.

    In this case this premolar (maxillary) broke and was patched up by my dad who put a couple of pins in.

    I had to remove the restorations and pins and then get some more solid tooth structure on the palatal so I used the erbium to remove tissue (30 Hz and 100 mj without water) and then 30 Hz and 130 mj with water for the bone with a 600 micron tip. I think if Hoya Con Bio had a big 1 mm or 1000 micron tip I would use it here so maybe it is something I will talk to them about , a big stubby tip for bone removal.

    In addition, we troughed to control hemostasis with the diode that I have in the office at present. I then proceeded to take the impression on the same day.

    Now I hear that in the USA that certain dental plans will not pay for the osseous if the crown prep is done the same day. Ridiculous I think but that is something you need to discuss with the patient…….

    I took the impression and was pleased with the result and then placed a provisional on the tooth ( my Dental assistant did)

    I will post the final shots when I do it for this case and tell you how long the healing took etc and focus in on the palatal to see about recession. I may try and get the patient back in 6 weeks to look at healing as well.

    I sent one of my cases to the periodontist here in town for her to look at …….no reply.

    I wish people would at least have an open mind to these procedures as I honestly havent had any complications yet but I guess if I will then I will adjust my settings.

    One thing I wondered about was the possibility of air emphysemas with the air on cases where you blow out the attachment and bone. I had some bubbles on this case at the gingiva so I think it might be an idea to keep the air low with the bone reduction.

    What do you think?

    How about taking the impressions on the same day.

    Rod taught me the marketing value of this and how you must explain to your patients what a service you are doing to be able to do the reduction of bone at the same time as you take the impression.

    What feelings do you have on this and other ideas.

    In closing, I am constantly trying to push the envelope on using the erbium as I get more comfortable with simple restorations and other soft tissue procedures with it.

    How are you using the erbium lasers in your offices?

    Glenn

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    #6439 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Oh ya another thing I was proud of was that through your coercion I didnt place a pin in this case but used the erbium to place a groove between the two old pin holes and join them to form a trough for retention (with the erbium laser) and then prepped the tooth for a core buildup.

    Settings for the prep on tooth were around 2.4 watts (30 Hz and 80 mj with water) and then the core buildup was done.

    Diode settings were 1.0watts CW for coagulation. I am sure the ND yag is also very good for this kind of stuff (right bob!!)

    Cya

    Glenn

    #6446 Reply

    Swpmn
    Spectator

    Nice case!!!! Great use of the erbium to increase clinical crown length and fantastic impression same day. I use that “pothole” or retention groove technique all the time for my cores – you should be just fine with your buildup.

    Al

    #6437 Reply

    ASI
    Spectator

    Hi Glenn,

    Nice treatment! Is this another one of those 2-generation and 2-wavelength procedures? Isn’t it wonderful to see how dentistry has advanced?

    Cheers,

    Andrew

    #6441 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Andrew: good point, if you only have the erbium , you can cut bone but have to use a hemostatic agent to quickly get hemostasis and your trough for tissue management will never look like this.

    THe diode or argon or Nd yag will do a much better job of coagulating. Its not one people want to hear. They want a one laser does it all, but the laser physics wont allow for it too happen.

    Good point Andrew………..

    glenn

    #6436 Reply

    jetsfan
    Spectator

    Glen,
    nice case.
    If I understand correctly, the insurance company wants to know when the crown is cemented. They don’t like paying for cases that are prepped and impressioned but not delivered. Therefore osseous recontouring and impression on the same visit should not present an insurance dilemma.
    JETSFAN

    #6442 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Thanks Jetsfan…….I will ask my front office team about whether they have had problems with this or not.

    Great point and thanks for making it.

    ALl the best.

    Glenn

    #6440 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Hi folks: here is the insertion of the crown preparation that I did two weeks ago for this case.

    I removed the temp and the patient said that the margin was rough to her tongue but the rest was fine.

    Note the healing of the tissue ( in no manner complete, but pretty nice consdering what it looked like April 1st)

    I can often adjust the interproximal contacts on porcelain crowns from where the wax floss leaves a residue as visualized at high mag (see photo #5 in the collage)

    The fit was nice (the bite a little off ) but otherwise a nice fit and remember all the prep and osseous was done in one visit.

    I like the way the healing looked on the tissue after troughing and the erbium.

    2 Weeks healing.

    Cya

    Glenn

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    #6438 Reply

    ASI
    Spectator

    Hi Glenn,

    #14 is next?

    Looks great.

    Andrew

    #6443 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Hi Andrew: thanks………I would have done the first premolar at the same time but her jaw is very very bad. She is having a heck of a time from just me doing one.

    Hope that helps……

    Glenn

    SHe has arthritis throughout her body.

    Glenn

    #6445 Reply

    Swpmn
    Spectator

    That’s amazing healing!!!!!!!

    And your buildup held great!!!!

    Planning to see you around this time next week.

    Al

    #6444 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    I completely forgot Allen……….will be fun. Drop by and lets share a laugh or two.

    I will be in the Hoya booth for Friday pm and Saturday pm and the rest of the time at the Global booth.

    Gotta do a few lectures so I better get some material together for the lectures.

    Cya Al……..thanks for the kind words……..heck maybe you should do the lecture.

    Glenn

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