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    etienne
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    Hi Guys
    I have been using the Deka Smart 2940D+ Er:YAG laser for a few months now. Most patients complain about sensitivity and have to be numbed. Even when I turn the pulse energy down as far as 50-100mJ with 5-10Hz the patients still experience pain. I am using the shortest pulse duration available, starting out in defocussed mode with maximum waterflow and they still complain. I have been in dentistry long enough to be able to tell when patients are just being difficult but am convinced that these people are more than uncomfortable during treatment.

    Even for something as small as these lesions I need to use local anesthetic.

    prep2.jpg

    Any suggestions?
    Thanks!
    Etienne

    #7272 Reply

    2thlaser
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    Etienne,
    What type of tips are you using? What type of magnification are you using? Just to start with….

    Mark

    #7268 Reply

    etienne
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    Hi Mark
    I am using their “window” handpiece with either 4,3X loupes or microscope.
    Take care
    Etienne

    #7276 Reply

    brucesown
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    Just for what it’s worth. I find occlusal erosions like the ones in your image to be some of the most sensetive teeth to work on. Even in people you’ve just finished a no LA tunnel prep on will often be sensetive. Not sure why.

    Bruce

    #7275 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Etienne, there is a doc here in town who has a Deka CO2 which he loves and also a Deka ErYAG and he tells me that he get lots of sensitivity and doesnt use his much.

    Does the water flow come out onto the tooth with the window type delivery system. I dont know if your system is as versatile as some of the systems with contact tips. Does anyone in your area have the unit. What are they using for settings. What is your water flow per minute, and where does it fall. Can you cut Class Vs , incisal edges, class 3s or are all preps sensitive.

    Measure your water flow and with the scope see where the water falls when you use a mirror system (does it hit where the beam is touching and ablating the tooth).

    Glenn

    There is a massive difference between window type delivery systems and tips where the water flow can be controlled much more easily to fall where you are aiming.

    If you do test the water flow mine is around 14-18ml/min.

    Glenn

    #7273 Reply

    2thlaser
    Spectator

    Thanks Glenn…I researched the Deka site and found no information on the type of delivery system, so I was having a hard time trying to chime in here. Sounds like you have everything under control…AGAIN!!!;)

    Mark

    #7269 Reply

    etienne
    Spectator

    Thanks Guys!
    Glenn, I’ll have a look at the points that you mentioned and get back to you.
    Take care
    Etienne

    #7274 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Mark I have seen the Fotona Fidelis in Australia where it has a loyal following (the unit is built in SLovenia ) and it is an articulated arm and in addition it has a mirror handpiece (great for anterior not for posterior in my view).

    I can find out from Tom Haney (he knows a ton) why the unit has more sensitivity but the fellow in town here in our study club has ALOT of sensitivity on ALL molar preps.

    Glenn

    #7271 Reply

    zendentist
    Spectator
    QUOTE
    Quote: from etienne on 12:58 pm on April 17, 2006
    Hi Guys
    I have been using the Deka Smart 2940D+ Er:YAG laser for a few months now. Most patients complain about sensitivity and have to be numbed. Even when I turn the pulse energy down as far as 50-100mJ with 5-10Hz the patients still experience pain. I am using the shortest pulse duration available, starting out in defocussed mode with maximum waterflow and they still complain. I have been in dentistry long enough to be able to tell when patients are just being difficult but am convinced that these people are more than uncomfortable during treatment.

    Even for something as small as these lesions I need to use local anesthetic.

    prep2.jpg

    Any suggestions?
    Thanks!
    Etienne

    Etienne: I’ll chime in here with another thought. I don’t know the laser you’re using very well, but you did mention that you’re using “the shortest pulse duration available”, so I’m guessing your laser allows you to vary the pulse duration. Dan you tell us what the range of pulse durations are? Generally, shorter pulse durations are associated with increase sensitivity due to the higher peak pulse powers.

    I treat these occlusal cupolas frequently, but my delivery system is significantly different on my Hoya unit, so quoting my settings won’t help much, but generally more water, lower pulse energy (mj), and lower hz translates to less sensitivity.

    #7270 Reply

    etienne
    Spectator

    Hi Guys
    Sorry, I forgot about this post with all the excitement of laser dentistry!

    Just to give you some feedback – everything is fine now. I am using the “short” pulse duration for prepping teeth and not the “extra-short” pulse duration anymore. Sensitivity problems are a thing of the past, thanks for the advice, you were spot on!

    I have found that the extra short setting works fine when I want to split a root or crown for extraction, the short setting for all the normal preps and the long setting for cutting soft tissue. This makes procedures like apicectomies a pleasure!

    Thanks again
    Etienne

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