I think that the laser cuts the OH molecule in the resin portion of the material (not the filler) and that is why it can cut the material. This is the VOCO material for temps and I know it cuts that but I havent tried the polycarbonate material with the laser.

Yes Mark Colonna has taught us a thing or two over the months……hes been quiet lately , probably living in Tahiti with all the funds from his great spoons and instruments.

Grin

Glenn

Hi Al,

I love how you are thinking about this!!

“Is the ability to obtain hemostasis more a function of wavelength or of pulse duration?”

More of pulse duration.

Doesn’t a wider pulse duration invoke a wider band of thermal necrosis and thus achieve the desired hemostasis?

I’m impressed with your analysis.  Not quite, but that’s pretty close.  With conditioned or initiated fiber tips, yes.  With unconditioned pulsed laser fibers with high peak powers, no.

Thermal (coagulation) necrosis is a surface effect of laser wounds.  Varying the pulse duration will effect the deeper layers below the surface zone of coagulation/necrosis—the zone of injury or stasis.

A wider pulse duration gives a wider zone of thermal injury or “stasis” i.e. hemostasis—not necessarily a wider surface zone of coagulation or thermal necrosis – unless it is a short pulse duration of a deep penetrating wavelength (1.064).

That’s why being able to VARY the pulse duration we can vary the effects from a surface effect only, or a gradually deeper effect on the zone of stasis to get HEMOSTASIS without necrosing the surface.  That’s why the pictures look so un-effected on their surface.  They are!  And that’s how we are able to get the wet “soft clot” not the dry necrotic wound (eschar) you would see with an initiated contact fiber laser.

Does that make any sense?

Here’s a photo I took today of a stable fibrin clot in an extraction site after I removed the tooth and lased the site at 4.0 watts, 20 Hz, 150 usec for 200 Joules with a 360 micron fiber.  The patient is taking 100mg of aspirin a day and says he tends to bleed easily.  Ha!  Not around me he won’t.  This distal tooth was prepped after getting the clot so I could watch the clot stabilize.  It stabilized in about 3 minutes and only got more stable as I prepped the tooth.  This is the photo after I prepped the tooth – 10 minutes later.  Ready to make a temporary. That black thing there is a suture. Contrary to my periodontist friends, I do use a blade and sutures once in a while (root decayed below the gums)

Here’s a general description of laser wounds from the surface down:

Histology of the Laser Wound

1.  zone of ablation – the zone of vaporized tissue (or not)
2.  zone of coagulation (necrosis) – the surface of the wound.
3.  zone of stasis (injury) – deeper and peripheral effected zone
4.  zone of hyperemia (edema) – deepest tissue zone

Further defined:

ZONE OF COAGULATION (NECROSIS)
This zone is comprised of the surface tissue necrosis of the initial burn eschar.  Irreversible injury.

ZONE OF INJURY (STASIS)
Deeper and peripheral to the zone of coagulation, there is an area of tissue injury where cells are viable but can easily be further damaged.  Fibrin deposition, vasoconstriction, and thrombosis occur.  Early epithelial cell death in this area, unrelated to blood flow, can be quite high, leading to slowing of healing.

ZONE OF HYPEREMIA (EDEMA)
Peripheral to and below the zone of stasis is the zone of hyperemia. The area is characterized by minimal cell injury but with vasodilatation (edema) due to neighboring inflammation-induced mediators. Completed recovery of this tissue is expected unless there is an additional severe insult such as an invasive infection or profound tissue inflammation.

Unfortunately, no.  It’s due to the fact that erbium being highly absorbed in any tissues in the mouth, you would not get a deeper effect on the zone of stasis, but a deeper effect in your zone of ablation and the amount of tissue vaporized.

Erbiums are still evolving.  The devices on the market today are 2nd and 3rd generation.  Cavilase was going to be about 4th generation erbium with its 3 different pulse durations (100, 250, 350 or something like that).  The PerioLase 5th generation.  But the erbiums are ALL still analog versus digital for the PerioLase, which makes selectable pulse durations so much easier and efficient.  The technology for the erbium is still developing compared to the technology for the pulsed Nd:YAG to some extent.  

Also, the manufacturers will need to understand that there is a clinical need for different PDs.  For that to occur, the clinicians need to be able to determine (as Del and I did) how different pulse duration effect, in the case of erbiums now, hard tissue differently.  In some respects, we have a means to compare two different erbium pulse durations – Waterlase at 90 to 140 microseconds (depending on who’s numbers you accept) and DELight at 240.  That’s a significant spread.  I think that while very similar, there are advantages at times to using the 140 usec say over the 240, and vice-versa.  Now combine that difference in pulse duration and add the effects of different rep rates and higher millijoules per pulse, and now even I am getting interested in the erbium.  (Oh, that’s right, I’ve ALREADY been interested since 1990……..).

So quite literally, the advances in erbium devices will be the direct results of clinicians like Glenn, Bryan Pope, Mark Colona, and others who pay careful attention to the effects of different parameters, and engineers listening to what the clinicians are saying (a very hard thing to occur), and THEN do something about it.  But the clinicians are KEY to the next big advance in erbiums.  Like we talked about at CDA Anaheim.;)

Great questions!! Thanks for asking. I love it when I have to stretch my mind to make sure it makes sense on paper.

Bob

Hey Al,

Sorry It took me a while to see your post and Del’s–and he’s across the hall fom me, not the country like you are!

How does the 1064nm FR Nd:YAG affect the pulp on vital teeth?

No detrimental effect at all.  It will have a pulpal sedation effect like what is talked about with erbiums.    

Doesn’t the energy penetrate much deeper than my 2780 Er,Cr:YSGG?

The energy of the Nd:YAG will indeed penetrate much deeper than the Er, Cr:YSGG, but will be transmitted since there is little tissue that will absorb Nd:YAG in a healthy pulp.

Did you select a short Pulse Duration in this case to prevent pulpal damage?

Yes, I chose the shortest I have available to me–100 microseconds.

Is the fiber in contact with the dentin/caries?

Oh yes.

Is it possible or would there be any advantages to using a water spray with the FR Nd:YAG?

Some, but only for removing carbon deposits and keeping the plasma plume down–which causes gray plasma deposition on tooth and soft tissues nearby.

But remember that this wavelength is completely transparent to this 1.064 light and the interaction at the surface would be hindered with water or mist covering the dentin/decay.

Good questions.  Thanks for asking.

Bob