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  • in reply to: A question on tongue tie releases #11777

    Robert Gregg
    Participant

    Glenn–

    You did an EXCELLENT service.

    I witnessed the very scene you described with Dr. McCarthy and his 2 year old granddaughter. No Versed, no anesthesia.

    The kids scream because they are not in CONTROL,………NOT because they are in pain.

    He was screaming so loud and had so much adrenaline from the screaming and the fussing and all the fighting, he probably felt nothing from the laser.

    After you were through, did the crying stop? Did the kid start running around?

    Bob

    in reply to: vital pulp coagulation #11068

    Robert Gregg
    Participant

    Ron and Glenn–

    Ron, nice case and photo presentation. From the amount of blood on the prep I would bet &#36&#36 this patient’s pulp is too injured to recover.

    Yep. You’re right Glenn on the time frame. They tend to act up about 2-3 months after “vital” carious pulp capping.

    The laser pulp caps that work are those where the exposure is limited in diameter to smaller then the diameter of the fiber-optic you are using, and/or the area of exposure can be isolated from the main trunk of the nerve/pulp (ie a pulp horn or a small axial pin-point exposure)

    Carious/bacterial exposure: don’t expect much. Try if you want, but prepare the patient for future endo.

    Bob

    in reply to: Decreasing root sensitivity #7458

    Robert Gregg
    Participant

    Lee,

    Thanks for the kind words.

    Dentin and/or root hypersensitivity may involve more than just pulpitis.  See the article below on some theories.

    If you de-focus at a distance away from the tooth, you can get some thermal energy into the tubules and have a “biomodulating” effect on the action potentials of the OD processes and the unmylenated C fibers in the pulp–it seems.

    Occluding the tubules alone give us mixed results….around 50%.

    Defocusing and “biostimulating” the pulp/tubules gives us 90+%

    The sensitivity typically stays at the level of chairside treatment, however the patient may become dissatisfied if only 75% versus 95%.  Some others may feel that is just fine……

    One VERY common observation post-op to de-focused laser desensitization is that an ache or throb–usually mild–appears within a few hours post-op that can increase in intensity for a few days, then tapers off slowly over a week or two.  VERY common observation.

    Hope that gives you a “jump”!!

    Bob

    Dentinal Sensation and Hypersensitivity A Review of Mechanisms and Treatment Alternatives  Louis H. Berman


    DENTINAL SENSATION: MECHANISMS

    In any dental procedure, in the absence of local anesthesia, manipulation of dentin surfaces may cause pain. When dentin is exposed to thermal, osmotic or electrical stimuli, or when air blasts or various drugs are applied to its surface, the host feels pain which may be termed a “dentinalgia.” A “pulpalgia” is a more prolonged, chronic pain to given stimuli and may result from a rise in the local intrapulpal edema subsequent to deep caries and pulpal inflammation.1,2 Although histochemical, autoradiographic and electron microscopic studies have vividly described the relationship between the odontoblast and the neural fibers of the pulp, the exact mechanism of transmission of the pain response from the dentin to the terminal nerve endings is only hypothesized. Four theories have been proposed: the transducer, modulation, gate control and hydrodynamic theories.3,4 Of these theories, the hydrodynamic theory is currently believed most responsible for the transmission of dentinal sensation. However, a brief description of the other mechanisms will also be presented.

    Transducer Theory. This theory of dentinal sensation takes into consideration the “synaptic-like” relationship between the terminal, sensory nerve endings and the odontoblastic processes. If a true synapse were present between these two elements to facilitate the transmission of dentinal sensations, then a neural transmitting substance such as acetylcholine would be expected in this area of the odontoblastic process and the predentin. There is no direct evidence for the presence of acetylcholine activity in the neural transmission in the pulp.

    Modulation Theory. Upon an irritating stimulus to the dentin, the odontoblasts may become injured and subsequently release a variety of neurotransmitting agents as well as vasoactive and pain producing amines and proteins.5 These substances may modulate associated nerve fiber action potentials by increasing neuronal cAMP levels through cell membrane adenylate cyclase receptors.6

    Gate Control Theory and Vibration. When the dentin is irritated, for example, by cavity preparation, all of the pulpal nerves become activated from the vibrations. The larger myelinated fibers may accommodate to the sensations. The smaller C-fibers may tend to be maintained and not adjust to the stimulus. Thus, as the low-intensity “pain gates” from the larger fibers are closed, the high-intensity “pain gates” from the smaller fibers are enhanced.3

    “Pain gates” may be opened by some stimuli, such as anxiety, and may be closed by distracting stimuli such as “audio-analgesia” or gingival stimulation. Van Hassel2 demonstrated in monkeys that cortical responses to pulpal stimulation can be diminished by concomitantly stimulating the gingiva.

    However, the gate theory does little to explain how pain responses from the dentin are transmitted and perceived by the nerve endings of the pulp—only how they may be centrally interpreted.

    Hydrodynamic Theory. Fish in 19278 observed the interstitial fluid of the dentin and pulp, referring to it as the “dental lymph.” He postulated that the flow of this fluid could take place in either an outward or inward direction depending on the pressure variations in the surrounding tissue. Isokawa9 found no pulpal lymphatics in dog teeth, but suggested that the pulpal lymph flow was continuous with that of the dentinal tubule fluid. This idea of fluid movement within the dentinal tubules is the basis for the transmission of sensations according to the hydrodynamic theory.

    Short-term stimulation of the dentin and the resulting pain, a “dentinalgia,” is not necessarily the result of local changes in the intrapulpal pressure. According to the hydrodynamic theory, as put forth by Brannstrom and Astrom,11 a dentinalgia results from a stimulus causing minute changes in the fluid movement within the dentinal tubules. This may subsequently deform the odontoblast or its process and hence cause an elicitation of pain via the intimately associated “mechano-receptor-like” nerve endings.

    Mjor and Pindborg12 stated: “Pulp and dentin sensation is characterized by being limited to pain only, irrespective of the initiating factor.” There is no direct support for any type of specialized terminal nerve receptors for hot, cold, electrical, osmotic, dehydration or chemical stimuli in dentin. The interpretation of most of these stimuli can be explained by the hydrodynamic theory. Figure 1 will help to visualize this model, as explained below.

    The dehydration of dentin (i.e., by air-blasts) is probably the clearest example for understanding dentin sensation. When Brannstrom applied absorbent paper to exposed dentin it caused pain; but no pain was elicited using wet paper.11,13 The outward movement of the dentinal fluid into the dehydrating source (i.e., air-blasts or absorbent paper) is thought to stimulate the “mechano-receptor” of the odontoblast, causing pain.

    The perception of acute thermal stimulation can also be explained by the hydrodynamic theory. The coefficient of thermal expansion of the dentinal tubule fluid is about ten times that of the tubule wall. Therefore, heat applied to dentin will result in an expansion of the fluid, and, conversely, cold will result in a contraction of the fluid, with both creating an excitation of the “mechano-receptor.”14,21,25 This fluid-flow model is further reenforced by the finding that pain is felt before temperature changes can be measured on the pulpal side of the dentin.15
    It is also a common clinical finding that pain is produced when sugar or salted solutions are placed in contact with exposed dentin. When the irritant is rinsed or brushed away, the discomfort subsides.10 This again can be explained by dentin tubule fluid movements. Fluids of a relatively low osmolarity (i.e., dentinal tubule fluid) will have a tendency to flow towards solutions of higher osmolarity (i.e., salt or sugar solutions). When iso-osmotic solutions are applied, no stimulus is felt.

    Source: Journal of Periodontology on CD-ROM (Copyrights © 1998, AAP), 1985 Apr (216 – 222):

    in reply to: vital pulp coagulation #11054

    Anonymous
    Participant

    I know placing calcium hydroxide isn’t fashionable now but I continue to do so on exposures. I usually place the Calcium hydroxide and then ketac silver. I then etch and bond.
    Thought this was interesting-

    Biocompatibility of a resin-modified glass-ionomer cement applied as pulp capping in human teeth.
    do Nascimento AB, Fontana UF, Teixeira HM, Costa CA.

    Faculdade de Odonologia de Araraquara/UNESP, Departamento de Fisiologia e Patologia, Sao Paulo, Brazil.

    PURPOSE: to evaluate the human pulp response following pulp capping with calcium hydroxide (CH, Group 1), and the resin-modified glass-ionomer Vitrebond (VIT, Group 2). MATERIALS AND METHODS: Intact teeth with no cavity preparation were used as control Group (ICG, Group 3). Buccal Class V cavities were prepared in 34 sound human premolars. After exposing the pulps, the pulp capping materials were applied and the cavities were filled using Clearfil Liner Bond 2 bonding agent and Z100 resin-based composite. The teeth were extracted after 5, 30, and from 120 to 300 days, fixed in 10% buffered formalin solution, and prepared according to routine histological techniques. 6-microm sections were stained with hematoxylin and eosin, Masson’s trichrome, or Brown & Brenn technique for bacterial observation. RESULTS: At 5 days, CH caused a large zone of coagulation necrosis. The mononuclear inflammatory reaction underneath the necrotic zone was slight to moderate. VIT caused a moderate to intense inflammatory pulp response with a large necrotic zone. A number of congested venules associated with plasma extravasation and neutrophilic infiltration was observed. Over time, only CH allowed pulp repair and complete dentin bridging around the pulp exposure site. VIT components displaced into the pulp tissue triggered a persistent inflammatory reaction which appeared to be associated with a lack of dentin bridge formation. After 30 days a few histological sections showed a number of bacteria on the lateral dentin walls. In these samples the pulp response was similar to those samples with no microleakage. VIT was more irritating to pulp tissue than CH, which allowed pulp repair associated with dentin bridge formation. These results suggested that VIT is not an appropriate dental material to be used in direct pulp capping for mechanically exposed human pulps.

    PMID: 11763899 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE] [/quote]

    in reply to: mixing apples and oranges #6771

    cerecdoc
    Spectator

    There’s no doubt in my mind that this is ground zero for learning about lasers.

    And I will be more than happy to ask dumb questions.

    I will be on this form every night, as I have been on dental town every night since I discovered it four months ago.

    Thanks for all the thoughtful replies.

    Larry Fincher

    in reply to: General Erbium Discussion #2860

    cerecdoc
    Spectator

    What’s the first setting I should adjust when a patient is feeling “something” while I am doing a routine filling.

    Wattage, air, water, which one is the first I should change?

    Assuming I am using nice warm water.

    in reply to: First baby steps in laser fillings #6623

    Anonymous
    Participant

    cerecdoc,
    Are you ‘anesthetizing the tooth w/ the laser prior to cutting? Make sure you do spend adequate time doing so. This alone can eliminate lots of sensitivity problems.
    If still sensitivity:
    Here’s a few things to check
    1. make sure once you break thru enamel you back off on your settings . I usually drop wattage and then air.
    2. make sure your suction isn’t too close so adequate h20 can get to the prep
    3. if still sensitivity back off and defocus and  ‘anesthetize’ the tooth for 60-90 seconds more before proceeding.
    How were you taught?

    in reply to: First baby steps in laser fillings #6627

    Patricio
    Spectator

    Cerecdoc,
    I my case at the begining I did little with the water and air settings and used the presets.  I worked up to the wattage necessary to penetrate the enamel and then backed down on the watts.  I was not sure what to expect in terms of penetration once I entered dentin. I did a lot of work in dentin at 1.5W to 3W  till I got the feel and some experience.  Watching the laser work at 3.5 mag plus light let me see what was happening and whether to increase the watts.  When I was having sensitivity in the beginning I tended to use the ligajet to keep on schedule.  Now as Ron describes I am more successful with the desenstizing process and find with combination of the laser and the round bur I can complete most preparations without anesthesia.  Also the electric high speed has been very useful.  The patient rarely knows I used the high and low speed they just say that laser is nice.  Working with the higher magnification had its own learning curve.  Now one year later I am beginning to run with the big boys on the simpler stuff.  Take Bill Chen’s course.  Go to Dana Point in January to the Biolase meeting.    Buy a diagnodent and find a few smaller cavities upon which to build your skills.  Give yourself a shot in the bicuspid region of your favorite anesthetic and see first hand what a wonderful option the laser can be.  Just joking about the shot part.

    Pat

    in reply to: First baby steps in laser fillings #6629

    cerecdoc
    Spectator

    Yep, I am “anesthetizing” with the laser before cutting. But I had to numb two people out of 20 or so. It guess this is in the stats as normal.

    I will try and make sure I don’t hold the tip too close, and let the water be fully absorbed instead of having some 6 watt light hit the tooth instead of water.

    It’s hard to believe the whole anesthetizing works. I have been meaning to try it on my own tooth. Has anyone tried this on the forum? Does it make you feel numb?

    Surely there are only a bare handful of dentists who have experienced a filling with the waterlaser at this point in time. Anyone got a story to tell about numbing their own front tooth before I give it a try? Maybe a finger or two?

    in reply to: First baby steps in laser fillings #6625

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Try it on your hand………..

    Well actually that is one problem with the 20hz

    With the continuum we have 5 different settings
    3
    10
    20
    25
    30

    I often will use 3 hz and 30-50 mj without water on my hand to show the kids how slow the laser cuts.

    Pop, Pop, Pop…….creates little white spots on your hand.

    Its a little warm at first but after a little while you feel very little. You can smell the skin burning (honestly) but it is so superficial in ablation that you can literally add water and find the white spots disappear.

    With 20 Hz you want to lower you mj as low as it can go with the Biolase (it only has 2oHz)

    What is the lowest energy setting in mj that you have.

    Can you go to 10 mj?

    Glenn

    in reply to: Soft Tissue Procedures #3371

    whitertth
    Spectator

    No big deal here …just info to share…frialit implant  uncovery… .75 watts 13/13  no anaethesia…patient didnt feel a thio long  ..  Got to love this laser!!!
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    in reply to: implant uncovery #10622

    Patricio
    Spectator

    Ron,
    Did you place the implant? I do not but can see some advantages to tissue control if the restorative dentist were to uncover the implant with tissue goals in mind.
    PAT

    in reply to: Decreasing root sensitivity #7454

    Patricio
    Spectator

    Bob et al,
    I followed your strategy today on desensitization of 12 teeth(two molars and a bi in each quad). I requested and recorded a baseline sensitivity from the patient on a scale of 1 to 10 and then asked about today.  I then explained that we were look for subjective improvement not total reduction of sensitivity.  She said she was a 4/5 today so I suggested we try for a 2/3.  All the areas were on the buccal either recession or recession and abfraction.  I defocused and moved in as possible stopping when she let me know she was feeling it.(Biolase – .25W no w or A for about 35 to 45 seconds per tooth surface).  I had to return to one molar a second time and included the lingual on the second pass.  The patient was very satisfied and accepting of a reduction above 0 following a drink of cold water.  The success was in the patient management.  Gracias!
    Pat

    in reply to: Anesthesia #6072

    Patricio
    Spectator

    Mark,
    I had a lower second molar today which I could not touch beyond a defocused effort to “numb” the tooth. I went at it twice at 4W for the prescribed time but nada. I finally uses a local. Any suggestions?
    Pat

    in reply to: Anesthesia #6056

    2thlaser
    Spectator

    Hi Pat,
    Tell me about the patient. How old, male/female, previous restoration, any cracks/crazes, occlusion, bruxer, etc….I MIGHT have a suggestion/answer, I have idea’s. Hope I can help!
    Mark

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