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2thlaserSpectatorActually, it’s not known as the millinium anything anyway. It IS called the Waterlase. That is it’s rightful name. So, Bob, your safe;).
SwpmnSpectatorGlenn:
You’re right, my comments are directed toward a specific laser. Maintenance issues with your laser have been much less than my own experience. Could be that your laser is a better product. There is also the possibility that assembly of mine was “started on a Friday afternoon and finished on Monday morning”, ha ha ha!!!
I’m sure the scope helps for a prep under PFM. Asked the technician specifically about an old post of yours on moving the laser from carpet to linoleum. He assured me this is a non-issue.
Al
SwpmnSpectatorWhen I crank mine up it says “Millenium II” right on the digital display!!!!!
Ha ha ha,
Al
SwpmnSpectatorReport on Use of a Modified “Colonna” Technique for PFM Crown Preparation using an Erbium Laser:
70 yo female presented today with lingual cusps fractured off tooth #19. MOD amalgam and buccal cusps intact. Profound anesthesia was established. Bien Aire electric handpiece used to rapidly remove the amalgam and old base under 2.5X magnification.
An Erbium(Er,Cr:YSGG) laser was used for the occlusal, axial and marginal preparation at 4W. A shoulder margin was prepared along the entire periphery of the preparation. Speed of preparation was rapid using the laser – approximately four minutes.
With the electric handpiece, a tapered round ended diamond bur was used to smooth the laser prep along the occlusal, axial and marginal surfaces. Smoothing of the prep required approximately 60 seconds. The laser was then used at 1.25 W to create a gingival “trough” and clear delineation of the margins.
Patient reported that she liked the laser and preferred the sound and feel to the high speed handpiece.
Obviously, what I’m reporting is greatly modified over what Mark is doing. My point is, after reading his article I was able to successfully incorporate some of his technique into a crown prep during my first attempt. With time, experience and patience I hope to incorporate more of what Mark has suggested into my practice.Comments, criticisms and “flames” are welcome.
Al
2thlaserSpectatorAl,
Great, I am so glad you tried this! Bob Lowe suggested the limited handpiece modification to me awhile ago, yet I never tried it. My goal was to use no rotary instruments at all, BUT, I am glad you did. How did it work? What did the prep look like? Did you smooth the surface with a diamond, or leave it somewhat rough from the ablation of the laser? Obviously, you had to remove amalgam, but what a GREAT case to start on! BTW, when I turn on my Waterlase, it just says Biolase, not millenium on the display, oh well, no big deal.
I am thrilled you tried this, please keep me in the loop if you develop other stratgies. I did another prep yesterday, it took only about 7-8 min. start to finish. I used a G-4 for bulk reduction, then the G-6 for interproximal margination. It was for a Full Gold Crown. The patient loved it…..so did I! I love to use that darn piece of equipment, it has enhanced my life professionally so much.
Again, thanks for sharing Al.
Sincerly,
Mark
AnonymousSpectatorQUOTEQuote: from Glenn van As on 1:46 am on Oct. 31, 2002I put some caries detector gel in this case to see what it would say.
Glenn,
I don’t remember where I heard or read this (Graeme Milicich perhaps-I’ll check my cd’s at the office)and I’m not being critical in the least, but on lased teeth I remember something about caries indicator dye giving false positives on lased teeth.
I’ve stayed away from doing this- anyone else familiar with this line of thinking?
Love the pictures, wish I had a scope to see like that!
Thanks to all you guys for the posts-I’m learning alot
Glenn van AsSpectatorGreat post Allen…….its great to be seeing you many pioneering posts.
Appreciate your insights.
Glenn
SwpmnSpectatorMark:
My modified “Colonna” technique went well. In Florida, we treat an elderly population so the reason we place crowns is because of failed amalgams. The benefit to the patient was a reduction of use of the high speed handpiece and no use of the slow speed.
I did feel it was important to smooth the preparation with the diamond bur in the electric handpiece. Just didn’t feel comfortable with the roughness of the prep after usage of the laser. However, I was surprised that I was able to use the laser for the gross reduction and also to create a nice shoulder margin around the prep.
Mark, I’m impressed that there are still a few “old farts” out there who place gold crowns, 3/4 gold crowns and gold onlays. Personally, I’m sick and tired of doctors who promote “metal-free” dentistry. As a frame of reference, I’m 41 years old and graduated from dental school in 1989. My posterior mandible is restored with gold onlays and I have a MO gold inlay on tooth #3.
Al
Glenn van AsSpectatorHealing photos at 6 days.
I have mixed feelings about this case.
On the good side the labial frenum cut looks awesome and the patient had little to no pain ( advil 2X on first day).
On the negative side the healing of the papilla interproximally is not as good as it could be , and is partially due to food entrapment from the patient as they have been leery to brush.
All in all though not a bad result for 6 days.
Will see the patient in a month and post the post op shots then.
Check it out here….
http://www.sendpix.com/albums/021031/221408000002c66adc70214ad86c0e/
Glenn
Glenn van AsSpectatorThe original pics of surgery are here…….for those that didnt see them.
http://www.sendpix.com/albums/021025/1946450000021e1b1e63be0a482898/
Robert Gregg DDSSpectatorHa! is right! The irony and humor never escaped us–even in 1994…..
There are reasons for the names that were, and reasons for the names that are today….and I’m not posting them in a pubic forum! Let’s just say that things are just fine by those of us at Millennium….:cool:
Oh, and don’t forget to visit the Millennium booth AND the hospitality suite at the Greater New York meeting!:biggrin:
Bob
Robert Gregg DDSSpectatorHi Glenn,
QUOTEI wasnt aware that Nd:Yag could take out dentinal caries. I thought it was able to take out stained enamel caries.Heck yeah!! Pulsed Nd:YAG cuts dentin very well, as well as removes caries very well and very selectively–leaving behind healthy enamel and dentin. It can act as a very good “caries detector” that way. It is a good dentin bacterial decontamonator and desensitiser as well.
As few examples:
Contact pulsed Nd:YAG ablation of human dentin: ablation rates and tissue effects
Harris, David M., Univ. of Illinois College of Dentistry; Yessik, Michael J., Incisive Technologies, Inc.
Publication:Proc. SPIE Vol. 2128, p. 409-415, Laser Surgery: Advanced Characterization, Therapeutics, and Systems IV, R. Rox Anderson; Ed.
Publication Date:9/1994Abstract:
Dentin from freshly extracted human teeth was exposed to flashlamp pumped Nd:YAG pulses (100 microsecond(s) duration, 50 – 200 mJ/pulse) delivered through a flat cut fiberoptic in contact with the dentin surface. Ablation depth and volume were measured optically and confirmed with electron microscope morphometrics. Ablation depth increased with force applied at the fiber tip up to 5 – 10 g. Above this ablation depths were insensitive to applied force. Craters made in dental stone were deeper and narrower than those made in normal dentin. Ablation depths per pulse and volumes per pulse decrease as the number of pulses increase. This is more prominent for 200 mJ pulses. At 60 mJ the ablation depths are the same from 10 to 100 Hz repetition rates, although qualitative changes (collateral damage) are greater at higher repetition rates. A progressive increase in collateral damage is seen from the 1st through the 200th pulse.
Histologic and SEM evaluation of caries removal and restoration in enamel and dentin using a pulsed fiber optic delivered Nd:YAG laser
White, Joel M., Goodis, Harold E., Kudler, Joel J., Eakle, W. S., Univ. of California/San Francisco School of Dentistry; Neev, Joseph, Beckman Laser Institute and Medical Clinic
Publication:Proc. SPIE Vol. 2128, p. 439-452, Laser Surgery: Advanced Characterization, Therapeutics, and Systems IV, R. Rox Anderson; Ed.
Publication Date:9/1994Abstract:
The pulsed Nd:YAG laser has been proposed as an alternative to the dental handpiece for caries removal in enamel and dentin. The purpose of this study was to systematically evaluate, in vitro, the process of caries removal and restoration in enamel and dentin. The effectiveness of this device was investigated utilizing scanning electron microscopy to determine the behavior of dentin after laser treatment of artificially created carious lesions in dentin. Histologic sections of extracted teeth after laser treatment and restoration demonstrated successful caries removal and restoration using the pulsed fiber optic delivered Nd:YAG laser as compared to both high and low speed rotary instrumentation. The adjacent enamel and dentin were unaffected by the laser irradiation although slight carbonization was seen on the dentin surface. Thermocouples placed in the pulp chamber during caries removal confirmed previous studies that showed laser parameters up to 1 W and 10 Hz being the same as conventional caries removal in the amount of heat generated which reaches the pulp. The addition of air/water coolant decreased pulpal temperature.
Bacterial” target=”_blank”>http://spie.org/scripts….cterial reduction and dentin microhardness after treatment by a pulsed fiber optic delivered Nd:YAG laser
Goodis, Harold E., White, Joel M., Marshall, Sally J., Marshall, Grayson W., Univ. of California/San Francisco School of Dentistry
Publication:Proc. SPIE Vol. 2128, p. 431-438, Laser Surgery: Advanced Characterization, Therapeutics, and Systems IV, R. Rox Anderson; Ed.
Publication Date:9/1994Abstract:
The purpose of this study was to determine the microhardness and extent of bacterial reduction of contaminated dentin following pulsed fiber optic delivered Nd:YAG laser exposure. Knoop hardness was determined before and after laser exposures from 0.3 to 3.0 W and repetition rates of 10 to 30 Hz. Half the sections were covered with an organic black pigment before laser exposure to evaluate the use of the pigment as an initiator to increase laser absorbance on the surface. Repeated measures design was employed to determine the microhardness of cut and polished dentin sections. Additional dentin sections were sterilized by gamma irradiation and then inoculated with B. subtilis, E. coli or B. stearothermophilus. The contaminated sections were exposed to contact delivered Nd:YAG laser. Cultures were obtained from the dentin surfaces and the colony forming units counted. Increased microhardness was found for all laser treatments above the physical modification. Bacterial reduction was obtained but complete sterilization was not.
2thlaserSpectatorHi Al,
Again, great job. I have talked to many about the “roughness” of the prep, and the consensus seems to be that it really doesn’t matter. In fact, the roughness should increase the surface area for the cement to bond the restoration in place. We are actually going to try and do some studies on this, we are currently lining up the protocol as we speak. I think it would be an interesting study.
I place gold still. Especially in individuals who exhibit bruxism patterns, and who have very heavy occlusion. I graduated in 1983, and I still feel that there is place for 18K gold. I don’t use any non-precious alloys EVER. I DO for the most part practice metal free, other than gold. I haven’t placed an amalgam in over 7 years. With the laser, it really makes me see how amalgam, and GV Black prep design is obsolete for the most part. Funny thing is, I really enjoy the microdentistry more than anything tha the laser allows us to do. I have transitioned my practice to that and have gotten away from the traditional “crown and bridge” practice. BUT that being said, the way the laser prepares tooth structure, with it’s delicateness, exactness, on the tooth, I wanted to apply it’s nature to the macrodentistry of crown/veneer preparations as well. I think that as time moves on, we will find, as the technology gets better and better, and it will, we will be able to do much of everything with the laser over time. Just think back to 1989, and now. In another 10 years, who knows what doors we will be knocking on? I just am honored to be a part of this process now. I thank you again for your posts, and for your initiative in helping to further the processes. Hope your weekend is a great one! GO GATORS!
Sincerely,
Mark
Glenn van AsSpectatorThanks Bob……..great to see the science behind it. Interesting how Higher Hz produced more collateral damage.
I think it is safe to say that the erbium is more selective for removal of tooth structure than the Nd Yag but it is nice to know that the Nd Yag will remove tooth structure
Ron , I know from looking at the dentin that there was still caries left as it wasnt smooth or shiny but still had that roughened look. It may be that the caries detector gives false positives on dentin as well as enamel but I know it was still carious. Interesting enough, the patient had no pain before the restoration was done, but it sure was nice to be able to show him both live and afterwards with the photos what was done with the tooth and how deep the caries was.
Patients never come back and say ……hey that tooth you worked on is darn sore and it wasnt before.
I dont know if the laser helps prevent endos, Hansen says it does. I know it wont hurt in deep preps.
Thanks for the kind words and practicing with the scope makes dentistry fun indeed.
Glenn
Robert Gregg DDSSpectatorQUOTEQuote:I have mixed feelings about this case.
On the good side the labial frenum cut looks awesome and the patient had little to no pain ( advil 2X on first day).
On the negative side the healing of the papilla interproximally is not as good as it could be
All in all though not a bad result for 6 days.
Glenn–Give yourself a break. This is an excellent result for day 6 and no sutures.
That interproximal tissue will regenerate–be patient and give it time!
Great work, great post!
Bob
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