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Robert Gregg DDSSpectatorAl–
Ha! That’s funny. Or maybe “length lengthening”?
“Can the Nd:YAG not be physically used to ablate osseous structure OR would the power settings needed to cut bone cause necrosis?”
That’s a really good question. The short answer is yes, it can. But does any Nd:YAG device have the “right” parameters to do it safely, AND is it the best instrument for the job when we have other, and arguably “better” and safer instruments and devices?
If you use a short enough pulse duration with ANY laser–including a pulsed Nd:YAG–you can cut just about ANYTHING with absolutely NO thermal necrosis. For example, a femto-second pulsed Nd:YAG (quadrillionths of a second PD) is used to ablate the explosive detonators in nuclear weapons (to dismantle them) because it has absolutely no thermal or mechanical effects on the explosive substrate.
http://www.llnl.gov/str/Stuart.html
The question Del and I have not investigated enough is whether or not 100 usec is short enough to safely remove bone. (We’ve sort of been focused on regenerating bone).;)
I mean, you have seen how we have used it to remove decay and healthy dentin at 100usec–no problem. Why not bone? My answer has been, “if it isn’t cheaper, faster, better (using a laser), why do it?” I haven’t found (ore even looked at) an answer to that for bone removal with Fr Nd:YAG.
ALSO, companies that recommended bone removal in the past with pulsed Nd:YAG lasers had lasers with LONG pulse durations (800 usec & 50 Hz fixed settings) and said it was safe as long as “air and water” was used. WRONG!! After many patients were severely hurt, and many dentists sued for malpractice using this pulsed Nd:YAG configuration (albeit super long PD), the interest in it was understandably diminished!
“At 4.0 W you have to really know what you are doing with an Nd:YAG, right?”
Well, yes and no. That statement applies to ANY laser, I think. But pulsed Nd:YAG are much more “forgiving” to the tissue and the operator than a CW diode, for example. By that I mean, at 100 usec “on” time the “off” time is 49,900 usec. That’s almost a 500 x thermal relaxation time between pulses to the tissue. Therefore, your average power MUST be higher than a CW laser to work at a reasonable rate of speed.
At 4.00 watts, I will drag that across my finger w/o any injury. I wouldn’t do that with a diode or argon at 1.00 watt w/o a burn.:o
Also, since I was using a 400 micron diameter fiber, my energy density (spot size is bigger) is less concentrated, so I actually need a higher setting of Average Power to make up for the reduced energy density at the tip.
So, using a pulsed Nd:YAG is a lot easier that you might think–especially when you can vary the parameters as much as we can with the…..(you know)……PerioLase MVP-7. 😉
WARNING: I have a financial interest in the PerioLase as co-founder of the company that manufactures it.
Bob
Robert Gregg DDSSpectatorNicely done Ken!
Bob
Kenneth LukSpectatorHi Andrew,
Thanks for your compliment on my implantitis case.
Here’s the protocal from Mike Swick for 980 bleaching.
Whitening handpiece giving 7mm spot on tooth;
5W CW 30-40sec
If patient feels pain/heat, reduce power or duration
Leave gel on for 5-7 min and repeat 4-5 times
Biolitec does have their whitening kit. The gel turns from blue to white upon activation.
I’ve limited success. Follow up with home bleaching(Nite White). Great results after one week.
Take a look at smartbleach from Australia: sounds good but expensive
http://www.hightechlaser.com.au/htlframeset.htm
Ken
Dennis W ClarkSpectatorI prescribe chlorhexidine for my perio patients and my caries patients. I believe with LPT, the pathologic bacteria are greatly reduced. How about LPT for patients with uncontrolable caries, even in a clean mouth?
(Edited by Dennis W Clark at 2:40 pm on June 12, 2003)
whitertthSpectatorHi gang….New computer up and running so here goes….
.75 watts 14 / 8 , EMLA Topical for 5 minutes, no local ..Patient didnt feel a thing .. 10 day post op should follow this week….(Edited by whitertth at 5:39 pm on June 12, 2003)
mickey franklSpectatorAl -thanks for replying.
I just had my Waterlase delivered to me yesturday hence I am still not too hot on the procedure,
but can the tips go in the autoclave at the normal cycle?Also, on average how long does each tip last,and how many tips do you recomend to keep in standby?
Thanks
Mickey
Robert GreggParticipantHi Dennis,
You mean for the reduction of caries causing bacteria in the sulcus?
I need to give that some thought………
Bob
Robert GreggParticipantLooks good Ron,
Boy, if THAT isn’t an indication for a frenectomy!
What was going on up in the vestibule where it’s a little dark? Some bleeding I would guess where it’s more vascular.
How did you get it to stop?
Good case.
Bob
Dennis W ClarkSpectatorIn the sulcus and around the teeth. Pt’s who have root caries surely would benefit from sulcular sterilzation?
Robert GreggParticipantOk, sure…..You can even put fluoride around the teeth and lase around it. Some early studies showed that helped the teeth take-up more fluoride as well. If you aim towards the tooth a little, you can even kill some bugs on and in the dentin.
Bob
Robert GreggParticipantOK………
Here’s the patient’s 14 day post op on the upper right
[img]https://www.laserdentistryforum.com/attachments/upload/Mark14DayPostOp1.JPG[/img]
[img]https://www.laserdentistryforum.com/attachments/upload/Mark14DayPostOp2.JPG[/img]
[img]https://www.laserdentistryforum.com/attachments/upload/Mark14dayand7dayPO3.JPG[/img]
And here’s the patient’s 7 day post-op on the upper left
[img]https://www.laserdentistryforum.com/attachments/upload/Mark7dayPostOpOppSide4.JPG[/img]
[img]https://www.laserdentistryforum.com/attachments/upload/Mark7DayPostOpOppSide5.JPG[/img]
Palatal view of upper left 1st molar
It’s been two weeks since we started treatment. I’ll see him once more to evaluate the healing, do a coronal polish and stain removal, OHI–AND THEN I WILL LEAVE THE TISSUES ALONE TO HEAL.
We’ll see him for 3 months perio maintenance–NO PROBINGS for 6 months (9 months is even better)! Supragingival S/RP and polishing only.
Bob
whitertthSpectatorI think its just a shadow to tell u the truth since i didnt get that much bleeding…for the Kodak moment i placed three small epi pellets on the area for 2 minutes and thats what i got…not too bad considering it was an erbium,,,the incredible thing is that this girls was referred by the orthodontist because she wouldnt let anyone inject her…. I wasnt so sure i would get this done without anaesthesia but she didnt feel a thing….. regards
Dennis W ClarkSpectatorI bought the PerioLase MVP-7 in September of 2002. After the Boot camp, I started doing LPT right away and it has grown to be my largest single prtoduction item – 14% of my production. I have done over 80 quads in less than 9 months and the production has now exceeded the cost of the laser! It’s all profit from here! No lab fees. Happy, comfortable patients, who refer friends and family. Next week, I am seeing the husband of a lady who came to Oregon from Colorado for LPT. She saw an article in Woman’s World, called Millennium for a referral and now she is bringing her husband and sister. This is real exciting! Who wants to retire?
All that is not to mention all the other things I use it for every day, on almost every patient. I almost need another!
whitertthSpectatorInteresting case, laser preps using Waterlase at 3.5 watts,65/35..( I could have cut these teeth with 2 watts they were so soft)..restored with Simile…. No anaesthesia used…..
(Edited by whitertth at 9:25 pm on June 12, 2003)
whitertthSpectatorsorry about the clarity ..thyey were clear when they were large and when I shrunk them they kinda got a bit fuzzy
prep photo wouldnt upload before so here it is(Edited by whitertth at 9:28 pm on June 12, 2003)
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