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  • in reply to: Osseous Surgery- Open Flap #11855

    lookin4t
    Spectator

    You’re suturing is fine here…and suturing any “nicer” than that wouldn’t mean anything in terms of healing.

    In addition, I’m not sure what benefit getting fancy in this area of the mouth you get..other than spending more time to get the same result and have a prettier picture.

    in reply to: General Erbium Discussion #2856

    brucesown
    Spectator

    I was having a lively debate with myself as I was doing a restoration today and wondered what you all would think.

    I was restoring a lower second primary molar on a 7 year old that had distal decay. My assistant couldn’t get the clamp on the permanent molar so, for reasons known only to her, she put it on the tooth I was to restore. Ever up for a challenge, I thought I would just do a tunnel prep from the occlusal and see what happened. I used the erbium ( with anaesthetic, I’m still a bit cowardly about kids and anaesthetic free dentisty ) and made a nice conservative tunnel down to the caries, removed it and took a look. What I had left was a thin shell of enamel interproximately, which had not been breached, (4x loupes) with a white spot in the middle. I restored it with some Fuji IX and composite on the occlusal.

    My questions are this:

    Does anyone routinely leave a shell of enamel when doing restorations like this?

    Will it last the required 5 years or is it doomed to replacement before the tooth exfoliates.

    Is the bonding of GIC similar to this enamel as untouched enamel. What if I had used composite alone, what would the bonding be like?

    Should I take assertiveness training and/or fire my assistant?

    I’m sure there are a lot of different ways of dealing with this situation and I would love to hear what others have or would do.

    I really respect the people who take the time to contribute to this forum, your help is greatly appreciated. Hopefully some day I will have something to contribute in return.

    in reply to: New Elexion diode #8213

    lookin4t
    Spectator

    That has exactly nothing to do with using a laser to treat perio or putting it blindly down a “pocket.”

    Do you have anything in that application?

    As a periodontist, I’m not enthused by this.

    in reply to: What do you think? #6590

    drnewitt
    Spectator

    I think I know what you are describing Bruce. Do you have any images?

    I have found that i have been doing a lot more tunnel type preps since I started with the laser and end up with a similar result to what you described. The trick is making sure you have good visual access to assess if you have left any caries behind, use a dye, go into the embrasure space and to get rid of the decalcified area there.

    I put a band in place before tx to ensure I am not lasing or bonding to the neighboring tooth, use Clearfill SE bond as it has one of the highest ratings for bonding to prepped enamel –> GI resin –> AesthetX occlusal (on primary teeth). If it is a permanent tooth I will only use Comp as I have read it has higher compressive strength as compared to the GI resins and less expansinon with h2o over time.

    I have followed several over the last several years and they are holding up very well. Nicest thing about it was i didn’t have to anesthetize, even on the pulp exposed ones! Trust the force Bruce, even if that force is a hydrokinetic one smile.gif

    Saving the marginal ridge will provide greater strength to that tooth in the long run. Since you are using the laser rather than the drill you will avoid introducing micro fractures into the enamel and that should allow for even more strength in that marginal ridge.

    Rubber dam, clamp whats that? Don’t fire your assistant, get an Isolite! Of course if you do decide to send her packing i am looking for an assistant for Spetember smile.gif

    P.S. anaesthetic – contact Dave Kap, he will set you straight about putting that anaesthetic in the drawer. He is a great source for info on eliminating anaesthetic.

    in reply to: New Elexion diode #8227

    spider24
    Spectator

    Actually there are 2 studies running:

    – Short pulse with high peak power in perio vs 1 W CW
    – Endo with special fibres

    As you all know, it takes time to make a good clinical study.

    Olaf

    in reply to: New Elexion diode #8217

    mkatz
    Spectator

    It does take time….but what about the german language studies that you referenced some time ago? If they have been published, why not forward a copy to someone who speaks german and cam summarize a translation…such as has been volunteered by Dr. Gregg/McCarthy.

    in reply to: Member Info #3211

    jetsfan
    Spectator

    I have a family moving to Del Ray Beach, Fl. I was hoping to find them someone from LDF to treat them. Any takers from that vicinity or nearby, WPB?
    Robert

    in reply to: New Elexion diode #8220

    spider24
    Spectator

    dear mkatz,

    there are hundreds of studies which show the decontamination effect using 810nm in perio and endo. In the moment i have not the time to scan them – simply use google or medline to find them. All treatment protocols i know, work with 1 W CW at the fibre end and treatment times of 20s. These parameters are well known and “save”. So we use exactly these parameters in the claros.

    In the moment we only use 30 W / 20.000 Hz in surgery applications. If there is evidence that high power / short pulse duration has advantages in perio and endo it can be changed by the user.

    nice weekend
    olaf

    in reply to: Parathesia Reversal #5916

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Kelly,

    It require one to drop their drawers………;)

    in reply to: LLLT #5844

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Wow Kelly!!

    Or should I say:

    Dude………..sweeeeeet!

    That is fantastic! What a great service.

    Bob

    in reply to: Getting the Word Out #10828

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Hi Robert, and welcome to the forum!

    What service do you want to advertise?

    It is best if it is something that patients would want to hear about and be interested in buying.

    I’ve had various ads for nearly 15 years and had some stuff work better than others and some media work better than others.

    One starting place is “what service do you want to offer that you think patients will want to buy?”

    Bob

    in reply to: New Elexion diode #8233

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Olaf,

    You sound very dismissive of Dr Katz, and disrespectful.

    Your answer sounds like the answer of another company rep when asked for science before making claims on their new short pulse duration laser.

    It is not the responsibility of Dr. Katz or anyone else to research and discover the literature that you feel best represents your arguments for your device parameters or clinical applications. It is the responsibility of the advocate to make the best argument for their device and applications.

    Furthermore, with all due respect, you have tried to represent that the new high Hz and short free-running pulse duration diode is materially different in performance to any other 810nm diode as well as in its performance and tissue interactions. Then you suggest to Dr Katz and the rest of us that we extrapolate the unique tissue performance characteristics based on a laser with a completely different Temporal Emission Mode (“TEM”)?

    Wavelength dependent tissue effects are greatly modified by changing the TEM. So, I respectfully recomend that you provide the data and performance characteristic of your unique device parameters, and not require us to un-earth it for oursleves.

    Some of us have been involved with lasers for the better part of 15 years and seen over a dozen companies come and go…..Sunrise, ADL, HGM, Premier, Nippon, Chrys, LaserMed, Ion Laser, Excel Quantronics, Sharlan, Luxar, Xintec/Convergent to name some off the top of my head.

    It always seems to start the same: bold claims are made before the clinicals are performed. I undersand. Yo have a lot of time and money invested in developing the technology and the company. Maybe you needed to invest in the basic science andclinical applications first to determine professional use viability.

    I have a request. Complete your studies, then present your product for consideration.

    I don’t mean to be harsh, but doctors and their patients need and deserve nothing but the best of the scientific method.

    Having said that, I know Dr. Claus Neckel resonably well. I did not see him this year at the ALD meeting in New Orleans, nor last year in Palm Springs. That is unusual for him not to come to ALD with his German side-kicks, and presents his latest data.

    I do have his contact info and can approach him on this topic of research and this laser.

    Thanks for posting the article.

    Best regards,

    Bob

    in reply to: Completed Periolase Boot Camp #5948

    L Lieberman
    Spectator

    Just got back from boot camp.I’m still full and jet lagged.Got in at 5:30 AM-but it was a direct flght.
    Very impressive grp.Thanks to Bob,Del,Chuck,Rick,Rob and the rest,especilly Dawn,the prettiest physics teacher I’ve had.
    I can’t wait to start w/pts.It will be the stndrd of care.
    LARRY

    in reply to: General Nd:YAG Forum #2757

    Herb Yolin DDS
    Spectator

    I am new to this forum and have joined it based on the high level rating Ron Kaminer gave it. I need to be up front telling everyone I am involved with the distribution of a low level laser and do in office chairside consulting for what I am writing about today. That is not why I have joined this forum. I am a full time practicing dentist who introduced low level laser (LLL) energy to my practice 39 plus months ago and it is the most exciting thing I have ever done in dentistry including my purchase of a hot laser prior to that. My purpose is about education of a technology that has made a huge difference in my family’s life (low level laser energy) can be useful to help heal almost anything the body needs to have healed) and then made a huge difference in my practice because I have positively impacted the health and well being of many of my sick patients.

    I am trained as a prosthodontist (BU-1968) and have been practicing as a generalist since 1987 because of the state dental laws in Massachusetts. My practice is 100% adult. I have not sent a patient for pocket elimination since that time. We have had great success with non-surgical anti-microbial, microscopically monitored perio treatment prior to my purchase of an Nd:YAG early 2001. That only enhanced what I had been doing.

    That is enough of my background and now I would like to know if there is any interest at all about low level lasers (LLL) on any subject from the how and why, to the practical aspect, to the differences in LLL and what to look for when purchasing one. The subjects for this or any forum can be uses of low level lasers in dentistry and there are many, in addition to what I call a separate topic about negative proprioceptive feedback to the brain otherwise known as Dental Distress Syndrome.

    The following is a testimonial I received on a Thursday following an 18 year old first visit to me on Monday June 6, 2006. He had been diagnosed with CFIS, Chronic Fatigue Idiopathic Syndrome and came to me to have his amalgams removed which I did not do. I fabricated Miracle Bite Tabs™ and LLL energy to various points to allow me to adjust an oral device with the necessary muscles relaxed. This entire step took 45 minutes after a very brief 2 minute exam for Dental Distress Syndrome, and about 2 minutes for me to determine the vertical dimension of the device. The rest of the time the device was fabricated by my assistant who also held the LLL for about a total of 4 minutes at various trigger points. The family then rented an older version of the laser for ten days from the company. This unedited letter was e-mailed 4 days later last week.

    Dr. Yolin,
    I just wanted to give you an update on Marek. We can’t thank you enough for what you have done for him. To give you some background, Marek has not attended school due to his illness since the middle of ninth grade, and has been completing 3 courses a year through a tutor. He would have graduated high school this week if he had not gotten ill.
    He started to help at his Dad’s office since January 2005 as he felt he needed to earn some pocket money. He only has been able to go in 1 day a week for 3 hours.
    Since our visit Monday, Marek has said he hasn’t felt this well in so long he can’t remember. He said, “I had set the goal when Dad first hired me that I would come into work tues, wed, thurs, fri and take off sat thru mon. I haven’t been able to do that before, this week I can do it and it feels great.”
    Marek also had a headache when he woke up wed morning and decided to try the laser to see if it would help. After completing the whole scan he does with the 2 wands, the headache was gone and he was ready to go to work.
    We’re really confident that if things continue like this, he is going to be able to go to school this fall. I’ve been having a hard time sleeping just with the excitement that something is finally working and Marek will be able to recover and live a normal life. Every day he looks and feels better. God bless you doctor!

    I would like to share one recent verbal testimonial I just heard from a pedodontist who purchased our low level laser in March at the ALD meeting. He has had a 95% success rate using one wavelength at 660nm (laser diode and not an LED) in lieu of local anesthesia on deciduous teeth. His success rate on teenage permanent teeth has been about 25% where my success in my adult practice has been about 70%. I am guessing the teenage teeth have more open unclogged tubules, wider and larger pulp chambers that require more local.

    Hopefully there will be interest on this forum for the use of low level lasers in dentistry. I have found many dentists who are users of cutting lasers have no idea about cold lasers and their many uses in dentistry. We use our low level lasers ( I have two ) many times everyday. Nothing has grown my practice more or has been more exciting in my 41 years of practice. 12 years ago I downsized my practice from many square feet and shared office space to 780 square feet, 2 chairs only, low volume, reduced overhead, one hygienist, one assistant, and a receptionist. I wanted to work quietly and worry about the future later. These last 39 months have had me rent the suite next door last year so I would have room to take an associate in order to grow a sellable, alive, viable practice and reduce my office hours in order to pursue my next step in dentistry. The process has begun, the phone does not stop ringing with new patients, people are calling from all over New England and New York/New Jersey with an occasional patient from CA, CO, DC area, TX, Canada,etc. This February, the shortest month, the winter terrible, I had 52 new patient phone calls and I do not belong to any referral service. I never bothered with super internal marketing once I downsized because I had no need for it. The low level laser usage, especially its role in Dental Distress Syndrome made this all happen. I need to be able to refer to other dentists all over North America. Is there interest on this forum?

    in reply to: Low Level Lasers in Dentistry #5762

    Swpmn
    Spectator

    Dr. Yolin:

    All views are welcome on this forum. There is interest in LLLT.

    Following is a personal opinion:

    With all due respect, from reading your post and looking at your website, I’m not sure if this is the right forum for what you are promoting.

    I may get in trouble for my comments and other members may disagree. You are asking for feedback. Mine is personal and not meant to reflect the opinions of other members.

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