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czeqm8SpectatorMechanical removal the old fashioned way. Sorry to disappoint.
Glenn van AsSpectatorHey Gurleyman…….welcome to the forum. I listened to Ray Becker recently talking about the nice combo of Cerec and lasers. Which laser do you have and how are you using it with the Cerec.
I think that a diode is wonderful to use for troughing the margins of the interproximals for deep margins to get a better impression.
If you have cases of staining why dont you put them up here as I am sure that many would love to see what you are doing.
All the best
Glenn
SwpmnSpectatorLares PowerLase AT
Introduction
Recently I had the opportunity to evaluate the Lares PowerLase AT(All-Tissue) Er:YAG/Nd:YAG unit. My evaluation was done in a booth at a dental convention and is not meant to be comprehensive or offer advice to prospective users. The review may contain factual and scientific errors and for the most part relates to the Er:YAG. Where I have added subjective comments, please either ignore them or take them with a grain of salt.
Base Unit
a)Unit is medium sized. Larger than HOYA or current Biolase units but much smaller than original Biolase erbium. Appears it would fit just fine in a standard sized operatory.
b)Electrical connection is 220-230V. The laser is self contained without need for air or water connections. Has an onboard air compressor. Distilled water bottle supply appeared adequate for normal use.
c)Keyboard appeared user friendly. LCD type display with easy to use selections for wavelength, energy setting, pulse duration, pulse rate and air/water.
Delivery System
a) Er:YAG
Articulated arm with several mirrors. Arm is surprisingly flexible and of adequate length. Appeared to have a bit of pull back when compared to the optical fiber delivery systems I have used. Each elbow of the arm has a removable plate on the back in case the mirror needs to be changed. Air/water lines are individual and run external to the arm.b) Nd:YAG
Optical fiber emanating from right front of the base unit. Fiber is stored on a non rotating wheel on right side of unit similar to how one might store a garden hose.Handpiece(Er:YAG)
a) Contact handpiece
Right angle handpiece similar to original Biolase Waterlase. Removable mirror access on top of 90 degree distal bend on handpiece. Air water appears to spray straight down tip similar to original Waterlase. Removable quartz or perhaps sapphire tips of 800-1000 micron diameter with metal proximal base. Visible red 650nm aiming beam emanates from distal end of tip. These tips are used in contact, they cost ๠ apiece and are recommended for 40 uses.b)Non-Contact Handpiece
A glass like window on the distal underside of the handpiece delivers the Er:YAG wavelength. Appears the air water spray and visible red aiming beam emanate just proximal to the window. The red aiming beam intersects with the air water spray at a very specific point a few millimeters from the window. This is the focal point for the Er:YAG wavelength. It is important to periodically wipe away ablation products and waterspray from the window.Operating Parameters
a) Average Power Maximum
Erbium component has a maximum setting of 1000mJoules at 20Hz so this is how the 20Watt setting is calculated. There are energy setting limitations for the various Hz rate selections. Nd:YAG is 15W and was told this is related to 230V electrical connection. When I expressed safety concerns, was told that the user would be instructed never to use the Nd:YAG above 4.0Watts.b) Pulse Rate
Repetition rate or pulse per second on the erbium is 2-50Hz. Appeared that the Pulse Rate is adjustable in single increments.c) Pulse Duration
I specifically asked what is the convention for measuring Pulse Duration – Full Width Full Maximum(FWFM) or Full Width Half Maximum(FWHM). Response was Full Width Half Maximum. The pulse wave is reported to be a digital with a square waveform.
Theory behind the short 50 microsecond Er:YAG pulse duration appears to be that the ablation front stays ahead of the thermal front. In other words the laser is cutting hard tissue below the thermal relaxation constant. That combined with a report that there is less ablation product interference is supposed to make the 50usec Er:YAG cut faster with less discomfort to the patient.
When I asked what would be the clinical use of a 1000usec pulse duration with an erbium, was told would be for situations where one desired a low peak power. The company does not appear to promote soft tissue coagulation effects with a long pulse duration erbium wavelength. They were encouraging most or all soft tissue treatments to be provided with the Nd:YAG.Subjective In Vitro Ablation Impressions
In a lab bench type situation at a dental convention booth, the Er:YAG in both contact and non-contact modes appeared to cut extracted human posterior teeth and bovine bone faster than anything I have ever utilized. The non contact window handpiece was much easier to focus than I had anticipated. Focal point of 2940nm wavelength is precisely at intersection of aiming beam with the waterspray.
Training
Lares provides Compact Disc based didactic and clinical training. Technician sets up laser and instructs doctor on physical operation. Over the shoulder clinical instruction by a Lares clinician can be provided and is recommended. The company does claim they are the only laser manufacturer recognized by the Academy of Laser Dentistry as a laser training course provider. Now I have to take down my official ALD issued Standard Proficiency diplomas: Two in Er:YAG, one in 800nm Diode and one in 10,600nm Carbon Dioxide(please ignore the immediately previous sarcastic comment).
Warranty
Unit has standard one year warranty. Asked about extended warranty or service contract. Was told no info available at this time but that info would be available prior to expiration of one year initial warranty.
Investment
Powerlase AT(All Tissue Er:YAG/Nd:YAG) ๘,500 US.
Powerlase HT(Hard Tissue Er:YAG) ๎,500 US.
Glenn van AsSpectatorAllen that is a wonderful report and very interesting. It seems that some of my concerns were not warranted and that the product as anticipated has some nice advantages.
Did it seem faster than the handpiece as mentioned in their ads.
Your very thorough post is excellent and you know all the right questions to ask for sure. It is a great use to have this board where educated clinicians focussed on learning more than just their own laser systems exist.
Thanks Allen I really enjoyed your post.
Glenn
SwpmnSpectatorQUOTEDid it seem faster than the handpiece as mentioned in their ads.Glenn
Couldn’t say it was faster than a highspeed handpiece but it definitely approaches the ablation speed of a high speed. Again this is subjective, but playing with the two different handpieces it almost seemed like the non contact window handpiece cut faster than the contact tips.
adelddsSpectatorGlenn thanks for tip. I have done 4 frenectomies in the last few days (all on children) with the chissel on 40/100. I love it. 3 had just about no bleeding, but bled for quite some time.
The tip was so clean!!!
Question: Does anybody have an ideal time in children that they propose a frenectomy?
Glenn van AsSpectatorHi there…….I am glad that you are finding the 40/100 works with the chisel tip and it is clean when there is no contact. I think that sometimes we do hit bleeders regardless of the technique (non contact with chisel tip vs contact with soft tissue tip) but that there are some advantages to the chisel and non contact.
One disadvantage with the settings I listed is that it isnt possible to use these without anesthetic. Pulse rate is too high and so is the Mj.
With respect to children, I do know that Larry Kotlow has some ideas about this. He doesnt worry about the old fear of scar tissue affecting the permanent teeth not staying together.
I also know that he likes do do the thick ones when the teeth are just erupting to give the permanents a chance to come together on their own.
I think that in the end you can do it with ortho (either before or after) or in the early mixed dentition when the teeth are just erupting. Sometimes kids arent that amenable to treatment at the earlier ages.
Great question though…….lets see what others say.
Glenn
whitertthSpectatorGlenn,
Md does not cut so well out of contact in the Soft tissue mode…one reason no bleeding for you could be the local if it has vasoconstrictor no?
all the best
BNelsonSpectatorHey all,
Just back from two weeks in BC. Couldn’t find van As’s phone number in the book. Guess the guy is so famous he isn’t listed! Had a brief chat with Andrew. My daughters wanted to see so much of the beautiful scenery I didn’t have time to talk dentistry!
The lady I’ve been treating has decided she is finished. Last appt 2wks ago, she has a 3-4 mm diameter area at the midline of her chin that still feels numb. All other feeling has returned. Needless to say, she is very happy! The appts were 1wk appart, 7000-8500j each (approx 20-30 minutes) I explained the experimental nature and she paid 贶US per appt. I treated the length of the IAN from just distal to the injury area to the midline. It really does seem amazing that the results were obtained that easily, just as Del had said it probably would.
Better living through science!
SwpmnSpectatorRecently, I became quite concerned over the following statement made by Lares Research:
“Lares Research is the only laser manufacturer recognized by the Academy of Laser Dentistry as a laser training course provider”
I’ve spent a great deal of time and effort making sure I had the minimal Standard Proficiency Certification from the Academy of Laser Dentistry(ALD) for my two chosen wavelengths. My instructors were Robert Convissar, Donald Coluzzi and John Graeber but my ALD Standard Proficiency certificates were issued from training courses offered by manufacturers other than Lares. When Lares verbally presented the claim this past weekend I decided not to argue the point because I wasn’t 100% sure of my facts.
Well, it does appear that Lares Research is in fact the only laser manufacturer recognized by the ALD as a Dental Laser Standard Proficiency Course Provider. The other eleven Recognized Providers are individual dentists or dental hygienists. Convissar and Graeber are listed as Provisionally Recognized with some “minor revisions or edits” necessary prior to this Friday, July 15, 2005.
What’s the deal with a single laser manufacturer being a Recognized Provider by the ALD and all of the other Recognized Providers either individual dentists or dental hygienists? Are there not individuals with Instructor/Mastership status working with Biolase, Deka, HOYA, Lumenis/Opus, Millennium Dental Technologies, ZAP, etc.?
Wouldn’t it make just common scientific sense for the Academy not to associate itself with a particular laser manufacturer? Certainly not the first time this question has been raised as I’ve seen it once before even during my very short time as an ALD member.
What happens if the dentist receives training from a Provisionally Recognized Provider? Is the ALD Standard Proficiency Certification invalid? How does the doctor make sure the course she/he is taking will be officially sanctioned by the ALD and result in Standard Proficiency Certification?
I’m really kind of pi$$*d off by this seemingly vague policy and considering presentation to the Academy. If my comments are too controversial, feel free to Private Message or e-mail me: [email=”dral@clearwatersmiles.com.”]dral@clearwatersmiles.com.[/email]
Robert Gregg DDSSpectatorHey Al,
All it takes to get an ALD accepted course provider status is MONEY! For ALD it’s all about the money and the politics of it.
Del and I are Master/Educators certified by ALD. We’re not recognized because we don’t pay to be so acknowledged–assuming they would accept our course curriculum anyway.
It would makes sense not to be so closely affliated with one company. That’s what got ALD into CREDIBILITY trouble with so many manufacturers other than American Dental Laser (ADL) in 1990 that led the others to conclude ALD was biased against all lasers except FRP Nd:YAG and specifically ADL’s Nd:YAG.
Now ALD is doing it again? What a surprise! Are some of the same people involved? Yep.
For Lares Research that has no clinicians qualified in ALD Educator status it’s kind of amazing they qualify for anything clinical/educational/instructional. Heck, they don’t even understand FWFM.
But they get away with it by having Prof Joel White on their payroll who is the keeper of the Category II Standard Proficienct CD-ROMs. He crafted a custom CD-ROM modified from those that the 1st Educators Course paid for and gave to Lares for a piece of the action in 1999 and (imagine this!) it was approved by the scientific and certification committee that White oversees at ALD!!
ALD has very arbitrary standards for “accepted” course providers and recognized instructors. They give ALD SP to those who watch an inadequate CD-ROM with a self-test, yet refused (for 2 years) to ackowledge/recognize MDT’s 3 Day Bootcamp with clinical hands-on and tests above and beyond the requirements spelled-out in the the Curiculum Guidelines for Dental Laser Education.
When I was on the Board of ALD, I tried to warn the good folks on the board at the time like Emile Martin, Dennis Petrinni, Steve Parker that ALD was risking irrelevance if they don’t apply their standards fairly and even-handedly. (They felt they did since they accepted cash, checks, credit cards, money orders, Western Union)
When two or three people have undue influence in an organization, other people’s opinions don’t matter if they conflict with the agendas and parochialism of the Powers that be–such an organization can get in trouble.
When WCLI came on the scene the statement was made by Biolase that they considered ALD irrelevant.
When ALD kept changing the requirements for MDT to obtain course recognition from year to year, failed MDT customers during Advanced Proficiency saying hygienists can regenerate bone (so LANAP is not that advanced of a laser procedure), and Joel White’s SP taught that long pulse duration was a marketing gimmick, Del and felt the ALD’s biases had gone too far.
I resigned from the ALD board, Del and I quite ALD as both corporatre and individual members.
It’s been 5 years.
We used to buy an ALD membership for each customer of MDT–the first company to ever do that. Other companies followed, for a while, until we resigned. No longer. I actually think the ALD Crew got scared of the increasing members from MDT thinking they might loose their power base. Never even ocurred to us. But that’s how important complete control over the agenda is to them.
So take heart Al. Your certificates are as good as they ever were–they just were not all that necessary and important in the first place. 12 to 15 years ago, AP and AP WERE important since most of what we did as early adopters clinically was all FDA “off-label” uses.
Nearly everything we do now with our lasers is FDA cleared, hence the need for separate qualifications establishing that we are education based in our clinical applications and not wild Cowboys are just not as necessary.
Standard proficiency will evolve away from ALD as lasers become accepted and taught in dental schools and CE courses. I’ve done CE courses at UCLA and I’m talking with other schools to develop a CE curriculum for laser standard proficiency that will follow accepted guidelines for education psychometrics and recognition by State Boards, not the narrow politics of a few in an organization that has strayed from the intention of the Founding organizers
So, Allen, I think you should be upset as a lot of others have been over the lack of a cogent, fair, evenly applied, clearly stated policy from ALD. And it should invlove more than “they paid their corporate dues”……
Bob
N8RVSpectatorI’ve only done a couple of lingual frenectomies — both on the same patient! The first time, I neglected to suture. Had good release, good extension of his tongue. A few months later, it had relapsed almost entirely and had to redo with a suture. So far, so good.
Saw on today’s schedule “frenectomy” and, for some reason, was thinking maxillary.
“How old is Dylan?” I asked.
“Uh … six, I think,” was the response.
Well, I came into the room and saw this barely-four-year-old, all smiles. Good sign. Looked under his upper lip — all normal. Oops. “Dang, I really wasn’t prepared for this,” I’m thinking.
Used some Tricaine Blue, infiltrated a few drops of Articaine and let him sit. So far, so good.
Clamped the frenum with a hemostat, used the chisel tip in non-contact at 50Hz/40mJ and it just zipped right through — with absolutely no bleeding or charring. Pretty slick.
Took off the clamp, asked Dylan to stick out his tongue, which he did and was amazed at how far he could stick it out! All smiles. Man, I was feeling pretty good about that …
Before I could even finish explaining to Mom what I had done, barely able to contain my pride, I heard a disconcerting noise from the waiting room. Sobs.
Seems Dylan, who was so happy just SECONDS before, is suddenly in pain. Huh? As we coax him back into the chair to take a look, I whip out the topical again. Plop some topical on it, say, “Does that feel better now, buddy?” and he nods.
Goofy, huh? BTW, still no bleeding.
With the way the tissue looked, I’m not expecting to see any relapse. I may be wrong, and told Mom as much.
Other than the mercurial temperament of 4-year-olds, any ideas why he went from joy to tears in mere seconds?
(sorry I don’t have any pix — would’ve been a good one, too. However, I just wanted to get it over and done ASAP!)
— Don
adelddsSpectatorGlenn, I think you are right about doing these in the early mixed dentition stage. It seems to make more sense.
As far as the technique with 40/100 chissel; I noticed that when in non-contact mode it is hard to get that last layer to peel back just before bone. I have also noticed that some of my patients have reported more post-op pain the next day than when I used the soft tissue tip at 30/70. I would say that there is probably less bleeding with the “chissel technique” but slightly more pain. Am I possibly scorching the bone at the higher energy level? Have you had any of the same results?
Thanks,
Marc
Glenn van AsSpectatorHi Marc…….this is a rum and coke induced response so beware.
First off you ask excellent questions, they are very good indeed.
I am still experimenting with the chisel tip but remember that the footprint is so big compared to the soft tissue tip that I would hazard a guarantee that less energy is coming out of the defocussed tip that has such a large footprint compared to the soft tissue tip at 30/70 in contact.
I wonder if it takes longer or if scorching the bone is occurring. If so a couple of possiblilities to consider.
Use the contact tip (it will get smutz on it and you will bleed). Use water with the chisel tip to prevent the scorching…..’
This will take longer but is safer for the bone.
What do you think…….again I am thinking as I go here and the Bacardi has me thinking in circles. (one drink does that too me these days!!)
Cya
Glenn
Glenn van AsSpectatorWow I am in the phone book……..too bad Bruce because I was in town.
In addition I have a patient with a lingual tongue parasthesia from a month ago. No NdYAG available here.
ANy ideas on what I might do for him with a diode or other wavelengths.
Glenn
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